A/C working properly? Cost -> lower temp?

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On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 13:27:40 -0700, jJim McLaughlin

You mean emotion vs logic?
OP - do you have a window open??!
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..through the use of electrical or duct tape, achieve the configuration in the photo..
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wrote:

So they both mean the same thing! Wow, I thought I had this worked out when I was 45 y.o. Now I have to start all over. Maybe NASA could come up with a numeric term for noon, or I'll have to start usilng a 24-hour clock.
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I posted a detailed reply to the 12:00 thing elsewhere is this thread.
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A $320 electric bill, ya think????
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for 2400sqft with the t-stat set at 76F and outside temps running mid 90s with humidity at 60 - 90%, my electric bill was only $136

Hire a *competent*, licensed, bonded, insured, professionally trained HVAC technician, instead of depending on some flunkie handiman that couldn't make it doing anything else.

Cheapest POS there is

$75 - $150

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All depends on how many kw of heat strips are firing up along with the A/C...
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Its only a 2 ton and probably has a 5KW strip in it..... a losing proposition if they are on at the same time
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We'd put proly a min 15 on those here.
Actually maybe good fodder for a survey....
Lessee...
Here, we got's us yup a 5 ton trane heat pump lennox ahu having uhmm 90.1 amps @ 208
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What specifically do I ask him tomorrow? (Types of HVAC certifications?) He is being sent by the landlord, which I don't pay for.
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On Jul 6, 10:55 pm, snipped-for-privacy@mail.com wrote:

Just searched Google - found EPA Section 608 Certification, NEMI - TABB certification, NATE, and HVAC Excellence.
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Yeah, you're not footing the bill.
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If he's not certified, and if the temperature coming out the vent is not at least 15 degrees less than the ambient temperature, then I'm going to send a letter to the landlord. The landlord is required to keep the A/C in working order, and I'm not responsible for outragous electric bills if they won't fix it.
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Then by all means, get the ball a rollin.
But that doesn't require you to figure out who to call to repair the system!
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Yeah that's something usually written right into your contract.
Now, define outragous.
You fucking slut.
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Jeffrey Lebowski wrote:

I think YOU just supplied a perfectly adequate definition of 'outrageous'.
- Logan
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Good luck with that!!! LOL
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On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:55:23 -0700, carie snipped-for-privacy@mail.com wrote:

Ask him what the problem is, and how long it will take to fix it.
Since he doesn't work for you, he may not tell you, but if you are nice, and not the least bit snotty, he may well tell you.
Maybe ask him if it's worth repairing or not, although that is not his decision and he may be much less willing to speculate. OTOH, if he knows it's a 50 dollar problem, he may be wiling to speculate. But you have to be even nicer to get answers to hard questions. (sometimes even when you yourself are paying).

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The landlord is required to keep the A/C working properly. Are you suggesting that underhanded behavior is so common as to be practically expected?
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On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 01:18:00 -0700, carie snipped-for-privacy@mail.com wrote:

BTW, in practice, I don't think the guy's certifications matter. I guess that's why I skipped this part before. He's the guy the landlord or the AC contractor chose to send. If I were the AC contractor, I'd want to hire someone with certification**, and if he is going to recharge the system, I gather he must have certification, but one can know just as much without certification as with, and the important thing is that he diagnose the problem correctly. I don't have much AC experience but I"ve been misdiagosed over the years by 4 medical doctors with certification, 2 of them specialists, so certification doesn't impress me anymore.
**although if I had someone I knew knew AC, and he didn't have cert, but was cheaper to hire, and he wasn't going to be the only tech, I'd hire him too. He can diagnose and do other repairs, and if it needs recharging, I'll send the certified guy.

Within a reasonable time, of learning it's not working properly. I think that is the law in all US states, unless the lease says something different, which it most likely doesn't. NYC and many places have more specific laws about providing heat, but I think not about providing AC.

I didn't suggest anything underhanded at all, on the part of the repairman or the landlord. What words are you referring to where you think I did?
It's often hard to get a good answer out of a repairman, whether you are paying the bill or someone else is, and I'm not quite sure why**, but I don't think there is anything underhanded about it, except in a few cases that I don't think apply to you. They don't apply to you because he's not working for you, he works for the landlord. They probably don't apply to the landlord either, because all but the smallest landlords are a source of repeat business for contractors.
**Probably IMO the biggest reason is, if he's not the boss of the repair company, he doesn't want to make decisions that his employer has the power and right to make. He doesn't want to get caught in the middle between the customer and his boss, so he tells his boss what the situation is, and the boss deals with the customer. In this case, with a landlord/tenant, even if the repairman is the boss of his own company, he won't want to get caught between his "employer", the landlord who hires him, and the tenant. But this is not underhanded. It's totally reasonable. And the consequences when someone does get caught in the middle are often more than enough to keep him from ever letting it happen again.
Pretty much the only way out of this, afaict, for the customer is to seem like a regular guy who won't make a stink if the boss later contradicts the employee, or the landlord contradicts the contractor, because a regular guy understands that the boss is the boss, and the employee can't actually make committments. Once one gives that impression, he has to actually live up to it, or he, or she, is a scoundrel and dishonorable.
I"m not talking about accepting shoddy work. I'm talking about asking the guy who comes to your house what the problem is, and how long it will take to fix it, and whether it is worth repairing it or not, and then if and when the boss or the landlord gives one different answers, saying, "Well the guy who was here says yada yada which contradicts you." One shouldn't say that.
Unless it is a literal life and death matter, and I can't imagine how that could be, one shouldn't do that. It doesn't matter what the guy tells you when he's there. It only matters that the AC gets fixed, and nothing the repair man SAYS to you has any effect on that.
If the guy tells you something and the boss or landlord tells you something else, one should just suck it up and not get the guy in trouble. If you get him in trouble -- even if he doesn't get in trouble, but he knows a customer quoted him when the boss said something else -- he'll never tell another customer a thing.
You may never know for sure who is right. Them's the breaks. Maybe the techician made a mistake, and somehow the boss knows it without even seeing the jobsite. Maybe the boss or landlord knows something the repair guy doesn't know. Maybe the landlord plans to replace the whole system in a year or two**, but doesn't want to say that or the tenants will hold him to it, even if he doesn't have as much money as he thinks he will (like if one or two apartments are unexpectedly vacant for a while) It's not at all necessary for either to be lying or underhanded for them to say different things.
**Maybe the landlord plans to sell the building in a year or two and isn't willing to do all the repairs he should. I'm not saying every landlord does everything he should or that every repairman always does everything right. But I have no reason to think and didn't suggest that there was anything underhanded in this case.
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