jeff, jeff, jeff...
When are you going to learn? You have no HVAC knowledge or skill...just keep
reading and leave the posting to us pros!
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do you think shouting and hysterics is going to make you any more
believable? Its not that we disbelieve ASHRAE or any of the other
published studies on this topic, it's YOUR lack of providing us with
the criteria we are asking for. plain and simple.
You've finally got around to telling us who makes the bulb. Now tell
us the bulb's model number.
Lets say i want to represent your product to a customer who has 87 3
ton package heat pumps on their roof, & I cant even tell them who
makes the bulb used in the fixture. I guess I can kiss that sale
maybe you make your living by bullshitting and deceiving people,
personally I make my living by being straight up & honest with my
presently, your credibility here is zero, zip, nada.
Fish I honestly do not want to argue with anyone here I will get you the
information. I have already asked for it and I waiting for it.
I never bullshit anyone or deceive anyone about anything. As I am sure
that you have seen. I have not come here and have not hid who I am, I
took a lot of shit for doing so, but is who I am. I would never
represent myself, a product, or a company to rip people off for money.
I respect myself and others too much to do that.
Jim - UV-C Light Purification
Nice point about the bulbs.....
Shinzhen-something (SP) in China started to copy Philips, NCLA and a range
of other coatings, got really close to the actual Philips specs.
What did Philips do....? Shit they decided to licence production to them
Good point Chris so what does that have to do with the lamps that are
manufactured for the company's products that I distribute? They choose
not to disclose the information. Who cares what Philips did with
another company, in another country. And I honestly don't know if that
is even correct. Pssst, Ever hear about private label or customizing a
product for another company that may differ from your standard
manufacturing? Maybe that's what you mean Philips does , doing, and/or did?
Jim - UV-C Light Purification
The Philips PPL lamps produced in Chain have a lower UV-C output.
The NACL coating is cheaper, hence the Chinese PLL-9's only have a relative
output of 5.5 watts UV-C at 253.0 - 254.5 nm unlike there older made in
Holland tubes which were at 7.2 watts.
I expect you think a Philips 9 watt UV-C PLL 9 actually has an output of 9
watts of UV-C????????
Go back to school Chris or remain as a HVAC tech. because by that
statement your an idiot and have no understanding what so ever about the
technology. UV-C is effective at 260nm, it has been proven that 254nm
is the ideal range and most effective,. Hear the bells Chris? Low
output. The high output lamps are over kill in most situations, unless
you are doing "on the fly" kill. Low output lamps are perfect for the
job at 254nm. Your just wasting energy, customers dollars and selling a
lamps that is not necessary. Do more testing or hire a R&D team with a
proper facility that would calculate all of the factors that you were so
kind enough to point out. The statement about the lamps I am not
going to even reply to ( read other posts , I had given the UV output on
I never claimed to be an HVAC.
My research was on air sterilisation for the SARS and Avaian Influensia
As for overkill, you know nothing of what you speak or type.
I dare say you can look it up but have you ever heard of
Pneumophila, longbeachae 5 , micdadei 5 , Micdadei 5, Gormanil 5,Bozemanii
5, Bumoffill 5
these are just 7 variants of Legionella the dosage for a first pass
sterilisation varies form a mere 2900 microwatts to 12,300
Get it worng and people can die.
I would post my data,, but I don't want it in the hands of snake oil sales
But you are the equivalent of a snake oil salesman.
I'm one of those people on our Standards committee for microbial control and
I also lecture on microbial control and management methods.
We have seen many products claim to be the great hope for sterilisation and
this includes: passing condenser water through an intense magnetic field,
flow over UV, iodine with ozone regeneration and combinations of all of
Not one of these has been effective!
Most of the promoters of these products soon disappear from the scene, with
many of their company directors loosing everything they have to compensate
their customers for the failure of the systems. I would think it would be in
your best interests to get at least $20M Professional Indemnity before you
try and sell anything - saying that, it would be better if you didn't as the
impact of your claims would probably still elevate my premiums.
Not one sterilisation alternative has been able to be justified
economically - they cost too much initially and the operational costs are
too high if the system is sized properly (in comparison to conventional
chemical water treatment with automated dual-biocide dosing, which can be
further enhanced by appropriate* side stream filtration and eductors in the
appropriate* - NOT a pool sand filter which has "ant tracks" soon developing
through the media and when left out in the sun makes a great microbiological
Saying all that the UV sterilisation can kill a great number of microbial
contaminants in the airstream and does have a place in high risk areas such
as hospital contagious infection wards (where they can do with all the help
they can get and operational costs are not a consideration). As for the rest
of us, I'll stick with my SP60 pleat filters treated with a biocide coating
for my office AHU.
Just caught up on the threads lol.
You guys were taking about me! Hehe.
Me no snake oil sales person, as the research wasn't for commercial usage.
Please identify where, I (which I certainly didn't recommend any single
method of pathogen control?)
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