Since I haven't had a motor failure, I'll take that choice when it comes. Remember, I'm not knocking the entire industry for doing important valuable work. I'm knocking for overcharging on the quick simple repairs... same as I'd do when any other industry made me feel the same way.
Figuring out a 5 to 3 wire isn't going to be a problem. For better and worse we now have the so-called information superhighway, though with a schematic or hookup diagram I'd be fine without the internet, and such things tend to be available on better manufacturer's websites if not included with the motor itself like on the label.
Most HVAC companies with competent technicians will gaurantee their work. His *doctor* example is nothing close to what we are faced with on a daily basis.
Since I haven't had a motor failure, I'll take that choice when it comes. Remember, I'm not knocking the entire industry for doing important valuable work. I'm knocking for overcharging on the quick simple repairs... same as I'd do when any other industry made me feel the same way.
Figuring out a 5 to 3 wire isn't going to be a problem. For better and worse we now have the so-called information superhighway, though with a schematic or hookup diagram I'd be fine without the internet, and such things tend to be available on better manufacturer's websites if not included with the motor itself like on the label.
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Why don't you change your posting name to CLUELESS?
Certainly if you did a lot of work you are entitled to good pay for it. I have never meant to suggest a man shouldn't have fair wages. I only mentioned one scenerio, where _I_ felt cheated for less than 30 minutes total inlcuding drive time for a part that cost me $13.
yoU're most certainly entitled to whatever the market will bear, I only told about why I personally will not pay over $200 to replace a $13 capacitor that I can replace myself. Certainly there are others who have no clue about fixing the problem, so they necessarily have to pay more for someone to trace the problem.
It was a generic term, the wadding is the porous felt-like material that holds the oil around any bearing. If you don't realize that, you don't know much at all about sleeve bearing motors! Hint - I do.
Please pretend you at least known HVAC parts. MANY are not open, are sealed motors. You've now well established that you have no experience.
Until that lube runs out, and it always does after a certain number of years. Don't believe, I don't care, buy new motors over and over if you like instead of the common sense maintenance practices in place for 100 years!
You can sweep my floors at minimum wage any time you like, IF you change your attitude and show yourself capable of such a simple task.
Umm, no. I Was the whole installation, crew. Whatever some repair guy serviced, is 100% what I installed. Quit being a baby.
If they do, it will be less likely than your kids since you don't seem to have any common sense. If they do, I'll be able to do what is necessary instead of the insane nonsense you describe.
I truely hope you don't have kids, because you are inable to handle even simple things like a capacitor replace ment or accept when someone is overcharging for one.
On a side note, if you have kids, please say so, I think you need to have them out of your custody. Dead serious, child, you have no idea what kind of situation you may be placing yourself in.
YOu did when you chose or defended a price that is excessive. There's nothing profitable about making people DIY instead of calling because the price is too high. I am PROOF of that.
But, I wrote in excess of $200, rounded off it was a $250 repair... for a $13 part that takes 5 minutes. Fair is fair, if it took 2 hours then ok, but having no experience in repairs it took me less time.
It doesn't. Granted, hospital bills are crazy too, but I'd never pay $600 an hour like some HVAC techs claim is resonable.
Certainly if you did a lot of work you are entitled to good pay for it. I have never meant to suggest a man shouldn't have fair wages. I only mentioned one scenerio, where _I_ felt cheated for less than 30 minutes total inlcuding drive time for a part that cost me $13.
yoU're most certainly entitled to whatever the market will bear, I only told about why I personally will not pay over $200 to replace a $13 capacitor that I can replace myself. Certainly there are others who have no clue about fixing the problem, so they necessarily have to pay more for someone to trace the problem.
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What the market will bear has nothing to do with the fact that you got charged a fair price, and that contractor will *still* be in business when you need him again. When prices go up again, then you will pay more. We don't have a monopoly on this...
YOu did when you chose or defended a price that is excessive. There's nothing profitable about making people DIY instead of calling because the price is too high. I am PROOF of that.
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The only thing that your proof of is a pissed off home owner that got charged a reasonable price to have a tech come out, diagnose, and make repairs to your comfort system with a part that he had in his truck inventory. I am pretty sure that the tech was probably using "flat rate" pricing so how long it took is a moot point. With flat rate pricing, it doesn't matter if it takes 3 minutes, 3 hours, or 3 days, the price stays the same. Same anywhere else... the price you see is the price you pay. We are not used car salesmen, and our prices are not subject to negotiation...same as any other retail establishment.
The real question, is that if you had a clue, then why didn't you diagnose and repair the system yourself the first time?? After all, it would have only cost you $17 for the part...
But, I wrote in excess of $200, rounded off it was a $250 repair... for a $13 part that takes 5 minutes. Fair is fair, if it took 2 hours then ok, but having no experience in repairs it took me less time.
It doesn't. Granted, hospital bills are crazy too, but I'd never pay $600 an hour like some HVAC techs claim is resonable.
It was a generic term, the wadding is the porous felt-like material that holds the oil around any bearing. If you don't realize that, you don't know much at all about sleeve bearing motors! Hint - I do.
Please pretend you at least known HVAC parts. MANY are not open, are sealed motors. You've now well established that you have no experience.
Until that lube runs out, and it always does after a certain number of years. Don't believe, I don't care, buy new motors over and over if you like instead of the common sense maintenance practices in place for 100 years!
You can sweep my floors at minimum wage any time you like, IF you change your attitude and show yourself capable of such a simple task.
Umm, no. I Was the whole installation, crew. Whatever some repair guy serviced, is 100% what I installed. Quit being a baby.
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If you were the whole installation crew, then you should certainly know how to diagnose and repair, and wouldn't have to pay the $200 or $250 to have it fixed....
Here's a hint sport, the lead on an install crew is generally a certified Master Tech. Now GFYS
Ah, but ultimately I DID diagnose and repair it myself, ignoring the supposed pros here who suggested a fan replacement too. Would you have been able to tell the cap was bad or would you have had to wait too if you didn't have a spare on your truck? I think you might've had to wait till after the holiday then, just as I did.
Remember that I posted this topic on Labor Day, when suppliers were closed so there was nothing I could do to get parts until the next day, unless I'd wanted to pay even more to find the odd company that will do it at a moment's notice on Labor Day. The next day by 10 AM I'd already fixed it, vacuuming out the debris in the condenser cavity took longer than putting a capacitor in.
I don't accept fixed rate pricing. If someone charges a flat rate for any service call that's fine but there's no way a generic flat rate service call is worth $200 to me which is essentially what the charge would've had to be since rounding off the bill I'd paid for a cap replacement was closer to $250 than $200. I dug out the bill and it was $237.
The overall economic system is bad, but the truth is that having truck expenses including insurance, gas, driving time, is less expensive than the overhead from a mechanic's garage or doctor's office where the staff themselves are paid enough to also have a vehicle, home, insurance, gas, food, and everything else... all for less cost. Flat rate doesn't work in cases where a repair takes 5 minutes. Disagree if you like but HERE I AM, someone who chose not to pay that premium so some fellow HVAC tech lost out on making any money at all as a result.
I've never suggested the whole world should feel this way but the world IS changing. The internet is making any average Joe Homeowner capable of accessing information to DIY. Maybe this usenet thread is a wake up call about that. Sad but true, many professionals who depend on what they know more than the actual labor value will find it harder to charge flat rate premiums for the simplier tasks. For example, Mexicans mow our neighbor's yard and replaced our roof after a hail storm that insurance covered. They work disturbingly cheap and since neither of these tasks require more knowledge than could be learned in a few weeks, it makes the value of actual labor terribly low these days.
Which part, that I can read a hospital bill like anyone else or that I don't think $600 an hour is reasonable to drive a truck about 5 miles, , unscrew and rescrew 4 screws, and pop off/on 4 wires on a capacitor?
Face it, if I thought it was reasonable I'd have called an HVAC company again instead of DIY. What you feel is reasonable what I do, there's no delusion about that.
Actually, installation uses new parts that are already checked before put in the warehouse. All I had to do was rough-in the installation, everything besides the thermostat and exhaust/intake covers that had to wait till the drywall and painting was done. In a new home the system never even got turned on before I was off to another job site. Basically it seems you don't know about roughing-in a new installation any more than I did about repair costs.
Why I paid close to $250 last time was that it was the middle of summer, I had to work and didn't have a holiday off to check anything, and didn't realize it was going to cost close to $250 for a $13 capacitor until I was handed the bill. Obviously in retrospect if I had known what the bill would be beforehand I would have done it myself, like I chose to this time based on that bill and the entire topic we're discussing.
Here's another hint. That's not always true, I started with nothing but prior construction experience then the finishing crew that installed the thermostat and checked the system function later were more experienced. I proved capable of the installations, was very rarely called back to any site to correct anything. Usually being called back meant that the plumber wasn't on-site when he should have been and I was doing duct runs having to guess where he'd put pipes instead of it being done already or being able to talk to him about his plans first.
Come to think of it, I didn't do a poll or anything but I don't recall any of the guys doing rough-ins having master tech certification and this was a fairly good sized shop that was one of the preferred HVAC installers for some of the most popular home builders in the area. We'd go down the street from one house to the next in new neighborhoods behind built which got somewhat boring when every other house was essentially the same except for the shape of the roof.
What are you babbling about? It is up and running now. Let's look at the timeline. It failed in the middle of the night before Labor Day. Labor Day the suppliers were closed. Next day by 10 AM it was fixed and working again. If your insight about using an oscope is correct, it came a day too late, but in fact, an ohmmeter is capable of finding typical shorts in motor windings. I suspect you just toss in a new motor while my background is one of finding exact cause.
I tend to always find cause before swapping in a new part, the difference in perspective may be partially due to my not having a work truck loaded with spare parts, I'll grant that, but additionally my pause was that I'd never choose a capacitor I expected to fail in 2 years time. That was the basis for my hesitation in considering the motor in the first place instead of just replacing the capacitor.
Who in this forum suggested only replacing the capacitor first? Nobody. I made the right call, get over it.
Ah, but ultimately I DID diagnose and repair it myself, ignoring the supposed pros here who suggested a fan replacement too. Would you have been able to tell the cap was bad or would you have had to wait too if you didn't have a spare on your truck? I think you might've had to wait till after the holiday then, just as I did.
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Did *I* recomend a motor change? NO I also *STOCK* common parts in my trucks. That include little things like multiple CAPACITORS!!!!!!
The rest of your crap was snipped as it added no additional value. Just extra waste.
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