Well, I think I've lost heart for gardening, after trying at this house.
Squirrels and birds stripped the peach and apple trees. Squirrels also
attacked the tomatoes.
The deer this year are really bad. First, in the spring they ate my lilies.
Then, during the season they stripped the tomato vines and/or ate the
tomatoes. They then went to work on the cucumbers. After that, they ate
the rhubarb leaves (I hope they got belly aches), but left the decimated
At lunchtime today, I watched a doe and her fawn eat the hydrangea
vegetation, then the peony leaves, then they started on the azaleas in the
back yard. I tried to shoo them off but they must have moved at least 12
inches then stared at me. Next, I suppose, they will be destroying the
foundation plants. Give me a break.
my plants are woodrats, mice and burros. If you think a deer is hard to
move, try moving a stubborn ass! A clever woodrat has even taken to building
a nest in the engine compartment of my truck - complete with gallons of
mesquite beans, cactus pieces, thorny sticks and burro dung. I clean it all
out and park the truck in a different place and the little critter manages
to find it and start all over again. It has so far eluded the traps forcing
us to put out poison tonight before any more damage is done to the engine.
In the meantime, the cactus and newly planted trees are surrounded by wire
I feel your pain, Dora. It's outrageous that gangs of criminal
species roam around our planet vandalising it, as if they were homo
sapiens. My advice is to move to a penthouse apartment in the city. No
more deer jumping on the balcony, and any passing birds will feel dizzy
from traffic fumes, fall into the road and get crushed by traffic.
"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message > from "limey" :
I know, I know - we're encroaching on their habitat more and more.
However, deer aren't controlled in this area to any great extent, are
multiplying fast and are proving a real hazard on the roads. We're lucky,
I suppose - at least they're not hungry bears in the yard. I'm just hungry
for my own vegetables, though, and fences aren't allowed here.
ok, so move or alter things....
Something here may help more than a shotgun (presumably also frowned upon)
http://www.plantskydd.com/ - repel deer
http://www.pestproducts.com/birdx/BXquadblaster.htm - repel rodents/birds
http://www.pestproducts.com/scare.htm - scare loads of critters
http://www.bugs2020.com/ - repel bugs, spiders, ants, mice, insects, moles,
raccoons, skunk, possum, just about everything!!
Well, in spite of it all we don't want to move. Thanks for your links to
repellents and I think that's the way we'll have to go. I've also read
that planting marigolds around the crops will deter them (can't say I blame
them - I don't like the smell either). This problem became much worse when
the neighbor across the road put down a salt lick, so the deer were
attracted to our yard on their way to the salt.
Their habits are extremely hard to break.
Yes, you must have fences ! And locks. Lotsa locks ! And an alarm
system on your house and car and motorcycle is you have one. Don't
forget the John Deere lawn mower. And every kid over the age of 8 gets
a cell phone. Before 8 they should have LoJack implants . Don't forget
Fido and Paws. They both absoluitely must have LoJacs tracking shock
Right up the road from Jacks place.
In a town of 600 with a single P/T policeman.
Where I can leave my saw out by the mailbox for days without worry.
Me, but not the ones in my back yard. Candidly, I would but wife will
not have it. Local rules for county are that you cannot hunt within
200 yds of an occupied dwelling. Bow is effective as a firearm but
will seldom down them immediately unless hit in spine. Otherwise you
have to be skilled in blood trailing. Also takes considerable practice
to become good shot.
Right - can't hunt close to dwellings. But, at least the bow & arrow are
silent. And, I have a friend who has been practicing head shots quite
successfully. The guy is scary. I know, however, that this is totally
I suspect he is not much of a hunter. When you practice, it is under
ideal conditions and out in the woods, hanging out of a tree at a bad
angle can mess up your form and aim. All bow hunters I know, aim for
the heart/lung area where you can be off by several inches and still
have a clean kill. Vast majority of gun hunters would also not shoot
That said, only sure way I've found to protect plants from deer is with
netting but I've given up on the tree rats.
Actually, he's quite a remarkable hunter. I'm amused by your logic, though.
He's been bow & shotgun hunting for almost 40 years, taught by his father
and grandfather. His way of choosing which deer to take are so closely
focused on what's correct, in terms of conservation, you'd think he was one
of those mythically perfect native Americans we see in movies. Spends two
weeks with just binoculars, observing the group on his dad's 400 acre farm,
choosing which deer to take. Gets the limit, and if there's another worth
taking, gets a special bag limit extension from the NY DEC. Sometimes, not.
I've watched him practice with the bow, using a bottle cap stuck into
styrofoam that's glued to a 4x8 plywood sheet. He'll hit it repeatedly from
75-100 feet. Interesting to watch.
There are air marshalls who are trained (successfully) to make their first
shot the head shot from a fairly challenging distance, using a sem-auto
handgun with 5" barrel. You and I would be hard pressed to pull that off. Do
you assume they are not so good at their skills because they can do
something most shooters can't?
Up to now, they've come through here at night or, presumably, very early in
the morning. After a snowstorm we can see tracks crisscrossing the entire
yard. That's why I was amazed that they were munching away on my bushes
when we were eating lunch. Times must be tough. There's plenty of
greenstuff around to eat but it hasn't rained in weeks, so I imagine thirst
is a big factor.
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