Interesting read and video. I am somewhat amused that they did not
choose to include one they are using in their own shop, Festool. They
claim too expensive but that is relative.
Oddly the Bosch articulating saw is piss poor at dust control.
I saw this review in the magazine that I got for a dollar at Rocklers while
picking up a couple parts. They made a big deal about only testing saws in
a certain rice range. Apparently anybody who wants to by this type of saw
only shops certain places and only spends a certain amount of money.
I also read the comment about the Festool saw they have in their vey own
shop. But they considered it to be "outside" the parameters for the
reviews. I was disappointed. If this saw cost three times as much, just
how and why is it better? I would like to know. Even if I did not buy one.
I did not think of the Harbor Freight model. I think a comparison between
the middle of the pack against both the top and bottom of the genre would be
very instructive. Probably the reason why it would never happen though is
because they sell advertising to all the makers of the saws they reviewed.
And wants a tool from a certain Asian area, eh? ;~)
Hints are that Festool has superior dust collection and the laser is
more accurate. But if you have not seen the saw in person it has a
sweet way to accurately adjust the bevel and fine tune it, a crank
handle. And IIRC it comes with a lot of accessories including one for
measuring and transferring the angle to the saw. And it is very
compact, does not need more room in the back for the carriage to slide.
This link has pop up pictures showing a lot of those features I
mentioned. Still $1400... I am sold on Festool but even I have limits.
I was just thinking about moving my SCMS to a permanent table. I knew
it would take a lot of space, 30" front to back, but what really
supervised me was how much of that space is wasted. About 2' from the
wall, on either side of the saw, above the work, is totally wasted.
Sure, one could build cabinets in that space but they wouldn't be very
convenient. Then I looked at the Kapex again. Nice!
If I hadn't bought the Bosch I'd probably look hard at it again, but
$1400 *is* a bit rich. Besides, my wife has learned what that shade
of green means (a *lot* of another shade of green) ;-)
Well in that respect the test showed that the "gasp" Craftsman needs no
extra room in back either. It is built similar to the Kapex in that
Yeah! I would love to have one and would have to think hard about the
Bosch knowing now how much dust comes out. I used to not care much
about dust. I did not use a DC or shop vac. But now with my DC and
Festool vac I seldom have any dust at all even after a large project. I
would hate to have a dust problem again.
You had to bring up "reason". That prevents me from buying all the time.
:-). I really really can not come close to justifying buying another miter
saw regardless of price. I don't use the one I have now.
You absolutely have a valid point and a touché moment. I made a similar
loooong comment about your comment on the Domino. :-). The absolute
biggest drawback of using a miter saw over my TS is the room needed for a
dedicated work bench for the miter saw to make precise repeated cuts on
long pieces. I once had a dedicated bench for my miter saw but once I
added the DUBBY miter sleds to my cabinet saw I no longer needed the miter
saw or the bench.
The big advantage the miter saw would afford me is squaring the ends of
stock an cutting stock to workable lengths. I normally cut stock to
workable lengths with a jig saw.
OTOH a miter saw would allow me to leave my TS set up for rip fence use.
I would think a top dollar tool of this caliber would have addressed
this better. I really like that design, with the articulating arm. All
these tests were with a vac hooked up, the stuff in the box is what got
away. 10 times more getting out than other brands.
Good question, I guess he had to draw they line for at too expensive and
too inexpensive. ;~)
I've noticed (because I've been re-reading American Woodworker
mags from the 1990's) that tool review/test articles in all
the journals have become incredibly poor in recent years.
I suspect the cause is that the author is either given a
very short time to do it, or a very limited number of pages;
thus they select an incomplete set of tools, conduct a
fairly superficial review in 4 pages, and end up with an
"Author's Choice" best tool for some vaguely stated reason
that boils down to "I liked it best".
(for perspective, when AW tested random orbit sanders in the
issue I just read, they tested 33 of them, and claimed they
tried to get every model on the market at that time).
Probably right there. And the bigger problem too is that the testers
and writers don't really seem to have a lot of experience with the best
way to do things and or enough time with a type of tool to understand
what is really a feature that counts for some one that uses this type
tool extensively. It's like you said, with my limited experience this
one seems to be best from my point of view.
Well, they had 4 or 5 air-powered sanders in the test, to see
if there was any advantage of that style over the electric
ones. (they found them to be lighter and easier to control,
but to need more air than a typical small shop compressor
could supply, and prone to getting lube oil from the exhaust
onto the work).
I don't recall hearing, in person, the articulating arm Bosch run. Is
it loud? I have an old 12" Delta that you must use hearing protection
just to start it up, no problem cutting wood. I quit using it in the
shop when I bought my first cabinet saw. The cabinet saws produce
superior quality cuts and just as accurate.
I wondered about that too. At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy
nut, could it be that the other companies are regular advertisers and HF,
if they advertise in WWJ at all, would just do their standard flier.
BTW, I have no experience with the HF 10" scms, but I have the 12" and am
quite happy with it. I did put a better blade and a zero-clearance plate
on it. And it's usually under $200.
A very good possible reason. Imagine the stink if an inexpensive one
won and was not an advertiser.
I remember the stink that came up when Wood magazine tested glues
several years ago. They showed that TB III was less water resistant
than TB II. TiteBond's response was that TB III meets the "Hoity Toity"
Water proof specs. Those specs did not mention water proof anywhere in
the description, only in the name of the spec. In reality TB III
failed in a test that a user would expect "water proof" to mean.
Similar to Craftsman table saws, if you are willing to put up with
making a few tweaks and modifications you are good to go.
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