Tape measure deals

Hey All:

I don't know how many of you are like me, but I hate all of the tape measures on the market today. I don't want metric on one edge with SAE on the other. I want SAE on both edges of the tape. I don't think or measure in metric increments, so I don't want that taking up valuable space on my tape. I hate it if I have to move my tape to mark a measurement, just because there is some irrelevant markings along the edge I happened to drag for marking.

Likewise - i can read a tape measure. I don't want and I don't like the clutter of the new generation of idiot proof tapes that actually label 1/8,

1/4, 1/2, etc. for those that don't know how to read the simple marks on a tape.

So... having stopped by the local Ace Hardware to pick up a tape for a friend, wasn't I surprised to find a basic tape (25' Ace brand) - just 1/16" ticks on both edges of the tape. No idiot stuff, no metric stuff. Fits your hand nice, has a really nice positive lock that locks and unlocks easily holds the tape firmly. The best part - only 7 bucks and change! Hell - I wasn't going to spend a lot of money on a give away tape...

Reply to
Mike Marlow
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I agree totally about the idiot tapes. I bought one for one of my "always counting little marks" fellas. It didn't help him all that much and I can't stand to use it. I also don't like all the strange ways of locking the tape. I prefer and will only buy the old original (well, not metal cased anymore-sadly) Stanley PowerLoc.

Reply to
DanG

It is not as much of a problem when you loose a cheap tape as when you loose and expensive one.

I am getting old and found that by buying a bunch of cheap tapes and having them all around the shop and house I can always find one. There was a point when I was spending more time looking for the expensive tape than I was doing projects that required a tape.

Reply to
Keith Nuttle

I was always of the same thought though most of my tapes are Klein as that's what the electrical supply houses usually stocked. But I've found with some of the Festool tools its handy to have a tape with both inches and metric. Actually bought some of the same tapes Swingman mentioned from Amazon. Don't have to do the math that way.

Mike M

Reply to
Mike M

Now if only it comes in a 12' version.

FastCap makes what you would want too.

Reply to
Leon

Nothing like being tied up in a knot with a tape measure, balancing off the side of a ladder, and only one hand to operate the tape measure extended past it's normal holding strength only to find the metric on the side you need to get that 1/32" accuracy for that crown moulding cut.

Double measurement tapes should be banned as they are so hard too hide in the garbage can after the wrapping paper is ripped off the gift from a well meaning friend. You keep it around and sooner or later you will pick it up with many regrets.

Hey All:

I don't know how many of you are like me, but I hate all of the tape measures on the market today. I don't want metric on one edge with SAE on the other. I want SAE on both edges of the tape. I don't think or measure in metric increments, so I don't want that taking up valuable space on my tape. I hate it if I have to move my tape to mark a measurement, just because there is some irrelevant markings along the edge I happened to drag for marking.

Likewise - i can read a tape measure. I don't want and I don't like the clutter of the new generation of idiot proof tapes that actually label

1/8, 1/4, 1/2, etc. for those that don't know how to read the simple marks on a tape.

So... having stopped by the local Ace Hardware to pick up a tape for a friend, wasn't I surprised to find a basic tape (25' Ace brand) - just

1/16" ticks on both edges of the tape. No idiot stuff, no metric stuff. Fits your hand nice, has a really nice positive lock that locks and unlocks easily holds the tape firmly. The best part - only 7 bucks and change! Hell - I wasn't going to spend a lot of money on a give away tape...
Reply to
m II

Yes, that is what I want in a tape. My favorite is a Stanley 33-312, a

12 footer. Before that I had a 10 footer that I lost or broke. My only complaint about the Stanley is it has 1/32 marks on the first 12 inches on one side. I don't need no stinking 1/32 markings on either side.

Recently, I bought a FastCap ProCarpenter 16' Old Standby on a recommendation from some on this rec. Nope, don't like it. First, it is 16', the smallest they had, and it's a bit too big for my cabinet work, I like 12' or less. The return spring is a bit too powerful for my tastes, the Stanley's have better feel, imo. I have cheap tapes from the $1 barrel bin that have better feeling spring than the Fastcap.

The main issue though is the markings. The damned thing has 1/32 markings on BOTH sides of the tape for the first 12". I HATE 1/32" markings, don't use them, don't need them, don't want them. At least my Stanely has those only on *one* side of the first 12". If the Fastcap had *only* 1/16" markings, and a slightly weaker spring, and was 12', I'd say it was good tape for my shop.

I guess I should say what I like about the Fastcap, I like the rubber shell. The pencil sharpener would be good out of my shop, the duel locks is nice, the robust, 4 rivet front tab is excellent, and over all, it feels durable. I would like it for carpentry work outside. In my cabinet shop, where I don't need 16", nor 1/32" markings, not so much.

Reply to
Jack

SAE?

Society of automotive engineers, what kind of measurement is that?

Oh! You're talking about feet and inches. You mean /imperial/ units!

Reply to
Stuart

Reply to
Robatoy

That depends upon your scientific discipline of study over here ... if you were a geologist the standard would be "API". :)

Reply to
Swingman

I am surprised no one had brought this up. When starting in the trades, I learned to use a tape upside down. So did everyone else. It wasn't an option, unless you were left handed. Think about it; if the majority of your dexterity lies in your right hand, this will make perfect sense.

Hold the tape in your left hand, hook the blade (you may have to slide it out many, many feet when framing a roof or other tasks) after carefully guiding the hook to the end of the board. You extend the tape and mark with your right hand, the hand you write with and perform other detailed tasks. Slip the hook up on the tape, and while it is retracting in your left hand, put your pencil behind your ear, then get your speed square with your right hand. It's all one big motion. You never locked the tape; it was held in your left hand just long enough to make your mark.

((At this same time, you learn to cut with the shoe of the saw on the board, not the motor side. This allows you to see EXACTLY the point of contact and the accuracy of the cut. Plus, you don't have to change sides from where you measured.))

It was not taught to measure left to right. To do that, you had to hook the tape, extend it where you need it (so far, so good) but then there was monkey motion in getting the tape locked with your right hand, retrieving the pencil with the right hand after locking the tape, balancing the tape on the material to be cut, marking, then unlocking the tape (which you would do with your right hand, which should be putting the pencil behind your ear and reaching for the square) and then finally get to the speed square for your saw line.

Too much activity for a cut, and imagine all that over the course of cutting all day. Not to mention all the times the tape will fall over (which it never does when you are holding it in your left hand) or you lose your hook if you bump your material or the tape slips when locked. Then you have to start over with your measuring.

If you could mark perfectly every single time with your left hand (mine is an untrained idiot), you were allowed to measure left to right. But if you were slow, clumsy, or needed more practice in your cutting motion, you went back to being a mule.

I decided to learn as I was taught. Being the "saw man" was a step up in job site status, plus when I was cutting the headers, rafters, joists, bucks, etc., was sure a lot easier than having to haul them all day as a laborer.

With almost 40 years of that in mind, I read my tapes upside down, and can't easily decipher any tape that has too much stuff on it. I was confounded years ago when the fractionalized tapes came out as the clutter confused my dull mind. And I think it was soon discovered that in the industry that "2 little sticks" was the common description of 1/8" for some, and I even had helpers tell me that the fractions they saw on a tape were "for something else". What, they didn't know. Maybe something scientific. Baking, perhaps?

I was glad when that trend subsided. But the advent of combo metric tape measures a few years ago muddied the water for me again. Now most tapes I see are covered with unneeded and unwanted information and if I don't have my glasses, sometimes I am up against it with smaller tapes.

I don't want much. Sometimes I just want a long, retracting ruler with one scale on it. I have them and can find them, but I just wouldn't think it would be a challenge to do so.

Robert

Reply to
nailshooter41

I believe he was referring to SAE as opposed to Metric. As in INCHES. and fractions thereof. Like the wrenches. SAE or metric. hello?

Reply to
Steve Barker

I guess that's what I do (did). Just never stopped to figure out why I did it that way. Seriously, I never even noticed the tape was upside down. (Maybe because I learned to read upside down in French literature in highschool.. HAD to cheat to get through that course.)

Reply to
Robatoy

If they're good enough for Darth Vader, they're good enough for me.

Reply to
Father Haskell

When were they other than chrome-plated plastic? As for the tape markings, Stanley hit it right decades ago. Simple

1" and 1/16" ticks and bold numbers can't be improved upon. Extra metric or otherwise scales on the opposite edge just increase your chances of error.
Reply to
Father Haskell

Then you have something called "BobsRule" which is in units called "bobs" (whatever they are):

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Reply to
busbus

How is old Max, anyway? What'd you pay for the quantum tape unit?

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Reply to
Larry Jaques

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Finally somebody's awake...

Reply to
Robatoy

I've been known to use both sides of the tape while measuring. This board's 61-5/8", that one is 123mm.

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Reply to
Larry Jaques

I'm getting there.

But what is 0.525mm easier than 3/8" ?

Reply to
Richard

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