My criticism is on the propagandizing of his education without filling
in some needed information, but your caveats below make me suspend
judgment, however sceptical I may remain.
<snip lots of good information on nascent nuclear physics>
If you're making a distinction between "The Navy" and "The US Naval
Academy" then you may well be correct. My point was about the USNA,
and they claim to offer engineering degrees.
Perhaps the misconception is mine. But at Chicago if you study
experimental physics one of your possible fields is nuclear physics
(http://physics.uchicago.edu/x_applied.html ), UNH has what they call
a "Nuclear Physics Group", Tex A&M has nuclear engineering—those are
just the ones I've heard of, there might be others, and I would be
very surprised if several leading foreign universities did not have
similar programs. Perhaps I'm not sure what you mean by "discipline":
are you saying that there are no university programs wherein an
advanced student would study nuclear physics as the predominant course
of study? Or that there is no degree entitled nuclear physics? Or
You clearly have a better grasp of this than I, but given what these
schools advertise, I'm not sure what you mean. By "program" above, I
meant a course of study, not necessarily a degree.
Are you aware of Union College's program? Did it ever have anyone
noteworthy teaching nuclear physics? Did they ever offer anything more
than *part* of *a* course that included content on nuclear physics?
That was my point. They may have for all I know, but I find that with
all the exaggeration common in politics it's more likely that Carter's
supposed "graduate work in nuclear physics at Union College" [the USNA
quote] is a bit hokey.
<snip observation on early nuclear scientists>
<snip more on the nature of coursework in nuclear physics>
I've found no source that make such a claim—only that he did "graduate
work in nuclear physics at Union College". Now, given what you
yourself have asserted about the nature of such study, don't you find
it disingenuous for *anyone* to claim "graduate work in nuclear
physics at..."? Doesn't that statement contradict what you're saying?
Perhaps, although I'd wonder about the quality of different schools.
Is Union College a powerhouse of physicists? I'd love to know what
Carter's actual course of study was—on this your questions are my
questions and they're right on the mark. Until I see it I'll remain
<snip some very apt comments about this early period of nuclear
science—for which thank you, it puts it into better perspective for
Very well put. Carter's education could be the real deal.
Well, Rickover was no stranger to political strife (he got his
promotion at Congress' behest against the wishes of Navy
administration): are you sure he wouldn't wink at Carter's misleading
claims as long as they weren't outright lies and in the context of
Yeah...but what I don't get is why he or his camp feels a need to do
the same kind of trumping now. The race if over. Maybe they're
thinking of legacy....
That's an even more interesting question...(whether he intentionally
promoted that personna with the pronunciation of nucular).
I think you have not read the OED carefully on this one. Show me the
example from 1601: it does not have a direct object—that's an ugly
neologism that first comes into usage in the 20th Century. The OED's
earlier listings, which you apparently trusted in, are mostly
participial adjectives that have no direct objects. So, find me an
early quote with impact + direct object and I'll have to reconsult.
But last time I did, there was no salvation there for the ignoscentes
Thanks for the physics history lesson, I had neglected to consider the
perspective you give on nascent nuclear physics.
Whadya mean retired? Seems to beat what most recent *sitting*
presidents do with their time.
That remark should not be taken as a derogatory slam on the moron in
the Whitehouse, his morally flexible predecessor, the moron's father,
or the much revered actor who played president for eight years.
Someone told me the houses President Carter built in Florida did not get
blown down by hurricane Andrew. Why? They actually followed the codes.
Does anyone know if this is true?
BTW 20 +/- years ago I was construction labor. One remodeling job we took
out a concrete block wall. The code said that every "x" feet you had to
fill in the concrete blocks with concrete all the way to the foundation.
The wall looked good from the top but when we took it out we discovered
whoever put the wall in jammed cement sacks in the holes and there was only
about 3" of concrete at the top of the wall to fool the inspector. That
wall never fell down, but it never had a hurricane pushing against it
either. Therefore I think the President Carter story could be true.
If I ever build a house, the parts I don't do personally I will be watching
and filming.... ;-)
Dunno, but I believe it easily, and anyone with an engineer in the family will
understand why. :-)
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Probably the most decent man to ever inhabit the White House (and I say that
as a lifelong Republican). It says volumes about our society, most of it
bad, that being a decent man is a liability in that job.
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
I agree that he was, and is, a very decent man. He was humble yet
extremely well informed on all issues. He has done many worthwhile
things since leaving office. Unfortunately, he was a very poor
I'm another lifelong republican and agree with your comments.
However, I often wonder about the leaders and the times they are in. I
wonder if anyone else (FDR, JFK, GW, TJ, JA, ..) could have done any better.
I was in high school at the time and usually had my head up my *** so my
recollections may not jibe with history... ;-)
Thu, Jun 24, 2004, 10:11am (EDT-3) firstname.lastname@example.org (Richard Cline)
<snip> Unfortunately, he was a very poor president.
Perhaps. But, certainly not. compared to any of the last bunch.
Use your brain - it's the small things that count.
- Bazooka Joe
Fri, Jun 25, 2004, 8:00pm (EDT+4) patriarch
He was the last of the lot for whom I felt good when I voted. <sni>
If I recall rightly, I voted for him.
Now, I don't vote FOR any of them, rather I pick the one I consider
worst, and vote against him. "Lesser of two evils", I suppose you could
say. I did NOT vote for Slick Willy's opponent, but definitely did vote
AGAINST Slick Willy.
Jimmy, if you're on the group, you've got very low taste. LMAO
And, if you are, hi.
Use your brain - it's the small things that count.
- Bazooka Joe
I always had the highest personal regard for the man and his integrity
as a human being, in other words, acting on his words (as in his
involvement with Habitat for Humanity; not just ON a Board but
actually swingin' a hammer at a board!) and not just pronouncing them
from a podium.
Come to think of it, I wonder if he ever visits here? (clearing
throat) Um, Mr. President?
PS You wrote my newborn daughter a nice "welcom to the world" note in
1988 from the Carter Library; it's framed on her wall.....
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