Rest iN peace, Mr. Jobs

[Robatoy]

A giant. Age 56. We'll miss him.

[RonB]

Absolutely - Fought the disease, and remained innovative and productive until the end.

RonB

[Han]

Robatoy wrote in news:44df47f9-6331-4dcf-852d- [e-mail]:

The world is smaller now. Steve will be missed!!

[Martin Eastburn]

I worked for a semi house that would from time to time supply parts. Depended on the product. We supported (boss and I)

100% during the day or after hours his engineering staff. One thing that Jobs as an engineer taught his people through the years - if you don't know or can't figure it - get help no harm - harm if you don't get help when needed. This concept was to keep the customer (you and I ) and their products as most important element of the company. What a guy.

IBM was reverse. IBM would rat on each other so the less ratted one would be promoted. Calls from them were rare. I've made arrangements after 10PM to talk to an engineer. They would be alone in the place and no bad guys in the next cube.

We are starting to loose winners out of silicon Valley. Movie stars for some time.

Mart> >> A giant. Age 56. We'll miss him.

[MJ]

I was an Apple employee after he left the company and left before he came b= ack. I knew a lot of people who worked directly for him and/or had some "fa= ce time" with him. He was hard on his troops, but hard on himself as well. = He understood technology better than most and he'll be missed.

Looking back, what a career.

MJ

[Vic Baron]

one of the last true visionaries. He will be missed.

Vic

[Dave Balderstone]

I'm keeping my iPhone at half-charge today.

Amazing how much one man could change our relationship with technology, making complex tools so easy to use.

[Larry Jaques]

I knew a lot of people who worked directly for him and/or had some "face time" with him. He was hard on his troops, but hard on himself as well. He understood technology better than most and he'll be missed.

Indeed. I think he made the proper decision. (see sig)

-- The most decisive actions of our life - I mean those that are most likely to decide the whole course of our future - are, more often than not, unconsidered. -- Andre Gide

[scritch]

A brilliant innovator and marketer. Changed the way we work with computers.

However, Apples have stolen family-wage jobs here to be made in foreign factories that cruelly exploit their employees and ruin the environment, with the expectation that the poor folks here will still forever buy the Apples with their last dimes, all to enrich some shareholders who apparently believe these bad practices will never affect them.

I'm pretty conflicted about Mr. Jobs.

[Richard]

See if you can find a copy of "The Pirates of Silicone Valley" on DVD.

Jobs was a jerk.

But compared to Bill Gates he's a Knight in Shining Armor.

I interviewed with Jobs as a programmer - LONG long ago. I'm forever thankful that I wasn't all that interesting to him.

I did pretty good as a PC Assembly programmer.

[Lew Hodgett]

----------------------------------- During the last half of the 19th century (1870-1900) and the first half of the

20th century (1901-1950), the industrial revolution eliminated thousands of jobs on the farms, driving people to the cities looking for low paying jobs.

This led to the formation of the labor movement and a better way of life.

Continued development of automation has continued to reduce the need for manual labor performed by the uneducated with the exception of harvesting fruits and vegetables.

Jobs and Apple are simply driving the process of needing a better educated society on a world wide basis.

Look at today's job market.

There are lots of jobs available in high-tech industries, but a lack of trained applicants to fill those jobs.

It's a major problem our society faces.

Lew

[Ed Pawlowski]

I own no Apple products. As for Jobs and jobs, I'd guess he is no better or worse than any other computer/electronics maker. What portable phone is made in the US or Canada? Try to find a toaster not made in China. Yet we buy because it is such a good value. Is it?

The Pogo rule seems to apply inmost cases. "we have met the enemy and it is us:

[Han]

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in news:ebydneuzzba_-QjTnZ2dnUVZ [e-mail]:

Pretty soon the US$ will have devalued sufficiently so that manufacturing here will become profitable again (it is already for cars and some other things). Now whether this new-found wealth will flow to workers or investors/rich people will be the next question ...

IMNSHO, we will grow the economy more if we let the less affluent buy more ...

[Larry Jaques]

What's your best guess, Han? Why should things change regarding wealth?

GOOD punchline. (On the off chance that you're serious, what's your logic there? How do the poor buy more?)

-- Every day I remind myself that my inner and outer life are based on the labors of other men, living and dead, and that I must exert myself in order to give in the same measure as I have received and am still receiving. -- Albert Einstein

[Robatoy]

Simple... build cheaper shit? Maybe let them keep more of their income?

[Han]

Larry Jaques wrote in news: [e-mail]:

Seems to me that if the US can produce more cheaply, the US will do more of the earning, less of the buying from other countries. Sort of the reveerse of the flight of manufacturing and services to East Asia? Or isn't it that simple?

Getting more spending power into the hands of the less affluent will lead to more purchasing of manufactured goods (my opinion).

[krw]

Walmart.

[Swingman]

That works ... as long as you don't do it with credit (cards) that further enslaves them by legal usury!

Mea culpa ... but that process chaps my rosy red.

[Larry Jaques]

I don't think it is. In reducing the cost of U.S.-made goods, the cost of labor and bennies will almost certainly have to come down...unless you can figure out how to limit the profits made by stockholders and wages of CEOs and other upper mangle^H^H^Hagement.

Do you have any good ideas as to how to accomplish that? I'd love it!

-- The ultimate result of shielding men from folly is to fill the world with fools. -- Herbert Spencer

[Han]

Swingman wrote in news:A4KdnRnauMu2VAjTnZ2dnUVZ [e-mail]:

I'm lucky, and, perhaps, not dumb, in that I always pay off all CCs each month.