I worked for a semi house that would from time to time supply
parts. Depended on the product. We supported (boss and I)
100% during the day or after hours his engineering staff.
One thing that Jobs as an engineer taught his people through
the years - if you don't know or can't figure it - get help no
harm - harm if you don't get help when needed. This concept
was to keep the customer (you and I ) and their products as
most important element of the company. What a guy.
IBM was reverse. IBM would rat on each other so the less ratted
one would be promoted. Calls from them were rare. I've made
arrangements after 10PM to talk to an engineer. They would
be alone in the place and no bad guys in the next cube.
We are starting to loose winners out of silicon Valley. Movie
stars for some time.
On 10/5/2011 6:58 PM, RonB wrote:
A brilliant innovator and marketer. Changed the way we work with
However, Apples have stolen family-wage jobs here to be made in foreign
factories that cruelly exploit their employees and ruin the environment,
with the expectation that the poor folks here will still forever buy the
Apples with their last dimes, all to enrich some shareholders who
apparently believe these bad practices will never affect them.
I'm pretty conflicted about Mr. Jobs.
See if you can find a copy of "The Pirates of Silicone Valley" on DVD.
Jobs was a jerk.
But compared to Bill Gates he's a Knight in Shining Armor.
I interviewed with Jobs as a programmer - LONG long ago.
I'm forever thankful that I wasn't all that interesting to him.
I did pretty good as a PC Assembly programmer.
During the last half of the 19th century (1870-1900) and the first
half of the
20th century (1901-1950), the industrial revolution eliminated
jobs on the farms, driving people to the cities looking for low paying
This led to the formation of the labor movement and a better way of
Continued development of automation has continued to reduce the need
for manual labor performed by the uneducated with the exception of
fruits and vegetables.
Jobs and Apple are simply driving the process of needing a better
society on a world wide basis.
Look at today's job market.
There are lots of jobs available in high-tech industries, but a lack
applicants to fill those jobs.
It's a major problem our society faces.
I own no Apple products. As for Jobs and jobs, I'd guess he is no better or
worse than any other computer/electronics maker. What portable phone is
made in the US or Canada? Try to find a toaster not made in China. Yet we
buy because it is such a good value. Is it?
The Pogo rule seems to apply inmost cases. "we have met the enemy and it is
Pretty soon the US$ will have devalued sufficiently so that manufacturing
here will become profitable again (it is already for cars and some other
things). Now whether this new-found wealth will flow to workers or
investors/rich people will be the next question ...
IMNSHO, we will grow the economy more if we let the less affluent buy
What's your best guess, Han? Why should things change regarding
GOOD punchline. <g>
(On the off chance that you're serious, what's your logic there? How
do the poor buy more?)
Every day I remind myself that my inner and outer life are
based on the labors of other men, living and dead, and that
I must exert myself in order to give in the same measure as
I have received and am still receiving.
-- Albert Einstein
Seems to me that if the US can produce more cheaply, the US will do more
of the earning, less of the buying from other countries. Sort of the
reveerse of the flight of manufacturing and services to East Asia? Or
isn't it that simple?
Getting more spending power into the hands of the less affluent will lead
to more purchasing of manufactured goods (my opinion).
As do I, actually my credit cards, as do probably yours do, actually
pay me to use them. And that works for every one providing they pay
them off every month.
I believe this country would be a lot better off if our kids were
required to take and pass simple finance classes before graduating. Or
you must pass a basic understanding of finance charges and their real
impact before qualifying for a credit card, controlled by a 3rd party.
What you guys do, besides paying off your own credit card debt every
month, is grossly overestimate the intelligence of the progressive
fostered middle class who has most of the credit card debt in this country.
Amen. Have had to rescue a few people from their mistakes in this
regard, including myself. I hadn't read all of the fine print of the
"free" loan by a Citibank CC. Free, if you paid it off within a certain
period. They forgot to tell me (or I didn't comprehend the language)
that payments first went to any unpaid balance, before the statement
reflected that balance. Ended with interest charged on the first
statement after that. Luckily I could tell them that I paid off the
total "loan" that instant and to go shove the whole shebang.
It helps to have reserve funds, but I fully understand that not everyone
has them, or can maintain them. I just heard I'll have to spend a few to
trim a tree that is dropping rotting branches. Darn DPW oaks ... I
guess that happens with 80 year-old trees ...
But, but, Leon, How? ... the "schools" demonstrably can't even teach 5th
grade math to 12th graders!
Besides, its teachers who are in debt, not the students. You wanna start
at the root of the problem!
It's called "consumer's education" and required at least as part of the
IL high school curriculum. They covered the busywork of balancing
checkbooks (the pivot should be near the middle) and filling out tax
forms (using a cheap bic ballpoint because a good one was the wrong shade
of blue (purple)), and something was said about credit cards (I don't
Parents will have the biggest impact on their kid's spending habits, not
Granted some teachers will have an impact. Especially those who are
cynical and point out the only way to win is to play very carefully.
HomeOwnersHub.com is a website for homeowners and building and maintenance pros. It is not affiliated with any of the manufacturers or service providers discussed here.
All logos and trade names are the property of their respective owners.