Rest iN peace, Mr. Jobs

[Doug Winterburn]

Limit Federal voter eligibility to active military, vets and those who pay income tax. As Obama says "you have to have some skin in the game".

[Swingman]

But, but, Leon, How? ... the "schools" demonstrably can't even teach 5th grade math to 12th graders!

Besides, its teachers who are in debt, not the students. You wanna start at the root of the problem!

:)

[Doug Winterburn]

[Robatoy]

[e-mail]:

You make things equitable by looking at the world through the corporate MBA's greedy glasses. Like that shit that GM is pulling these last couple of years. They compete by offering lower prices on new cars, like Malibu, then completely rape you when it is time for a brake job... and after market parts voids all warranties of course. My close friend manages fleets of cars for a large leasing company (77,000 cars at last count) and tracks all maintenance costs. GM products through the roof. Not in terms of break-downs, but parts costs. And get this: A Canadian built GM car, when bought in the States, then brought back to Canada, will have its warranty voided.

Pass me the Vaseline PLEASE.

[Puckdropper]

Leon wrote in news:VtidnT_ [e-mail]:

It's called "consumer's education" and required at least as part of the IL high school curriculum. They covered the busywork of balancing checkbooks (the pivot should be near the middle) and filling out tax forms (using a cheap bic ballpoint because a good one was the wrong shade of blue (purple)), and something was said about credit cards (I don't remember).

Parents will have the biggest impact on their kid's spending habits, not schools.

Granted some teachers will have an impact. Especially those who are cynical and point out the only way to win is to play very carefully.

Puckdropper

[krw]

What does "how hard they work" have to do with anything. A ditch digger works "harder" than I do, but I make a few times what they do.

They've at least worked 10x smarter than have I. Someone willingly *gave* them that money.

Steve Jobs?

No, they worked to be in the "right place at the right time", often worked to

*make* the right time and place. Because you, and I, didn't is no fault of theirs.

[krw]

Right, but also note that those corporations don't pay tax anyway. It's a cost of doing business and necessarily gets passed onto the consumer. Might just as well put the tax there. It's more efficient, if nothing else.

[Leon]

LOL I know but you have to start somewhere and with out improving our knowledge and education system we will continue to swirl down the drain.

[Leon]

Agreed the parent absolutely have the biggest impact however a majority of the parents don't know them selves.

I played that credit game up until 1986 when I bought my first PC. The first thing I did was determine how to pay our house off as quickly as possible. We refinanced out home in 1987 and after paying off our two vehicles and some land that we owed on began putting an extra $300 per month towards our house payment in 1990, 6 years later we were debt free and have remained so ever since. We use a credit card for monthly purchases but those are paid in full monthly. We paid cash for our new house in December.

[Leon]

I am talking about harder not smarter.

[Leon]

That would probably be a good start to my putting my plan in place. Basically, if you have nothing to loose you don't care as much.

[Leon]

innews: [e-mail]:

Unless Canada is different GM gains very little by you having your brake jobs done at the dealership. IIRC the "cost" of parts for a brake job was around $40 back in the 90's. None of the remaining profit on those parts or labor went back to the GM. Not sure how fleets are handled as they get pretty good purchasing perks but the standard owners manuals DO NOT require GM parts for maintenance items as long as they meet minimum requirements.

I cannot believe that buying a GM car in the US and taking it back to Canada voids the warranty. I could believe that if you want the warranty honored you have to take it back to the US. Think of all the tourists that would loose their warranties for visiting Canada. AND if you think this is exclusive to GM you might want to look at all the manufacturers and your auto insurance policy concerning traveling to foreign countries. My insurance policy does not cover my traveling into Mexico 250 miles away.

[Leon]

LOL, as seriously as you mentioned that the corporations can say the same.

Make every thing equitable by everyone paying the same amount of taxes. Pretty simple really. We all live here and none of is more special that the next guy. Why should some one pay more or less than your do.

[Robatoy]

[e-mail]:

Okay.. to be more specific.. Canadian GM dealers will not honour US bought cars' warranties after they're registered in Canada. Of course a travelling US car in Canada will be honoured. You slap on DayTimeRunning lights and Canadian plates, the GM dealers and/or GM Canada will NOT honour the warranty.

In terms of brake parts pricing. Do an all-around brake job on a Ford Fusion and a Malibu, and you will see a $1000.00 difference...at least around here. Same deal with the OEM parts... I'm sure it is okay to put somebody else's wiper blades on

Can you blame them, mang?

[krw]

One's skills don't matter?

[Bill]

On 10/13/2011 12:00 PM, Leon wrote: Make every thing equitable by everyone paying the same amount of taxes.

If we just require everybody to pay $100,000 in federal taxes for just one year, and then most of our nationals current fiscal problems will be over? Simple as what is said above, no?

[Larry Jaques]

-- The ultimate result of shielding men from folly is to fill the world with fools. -- Herbert Spencer

[Larry Blanchard]

But how? There's quote that goes something like "There's no fortune whose origin would stand examination in daylight."

[Larry Blanchard]

There's that BS non-statistic again. The real number is 14% who paid neither federal income tax or payroll tax. A far cry from 50%. And many of that 14% paid sales and other taxes. It's hard to live in any developed country today and not pay taxes of some sort or nother.

In 2009, there were 51% who paid no federal income tax because of some temporary recession-fighting measures that have since expired. That's been seized upon and twisted into the 50% chant.

[ my spell checker informed me that "seized" is another exception to the "i before e" rule :-) ]

An article in todays paper gave numbers for Warren Buffet's tax numbers for 2009. He paid only 17.4% of his taxable income in federal taxes because a lot of it was capital gains. That's less than most folks who make $100,000 or so, about 600 times less than Buffet. It is to his credit that he at least points this out.

[Bill]

Yeah, I paid them between $18-21, can't remember exactly, for a small knob for the radio. I took care of the installation myself. While, I stood there acting PO'ed, he just asked, "Well, do you want it or not?"...LOL