I'm not sure about actual standards and a quick search didn't find a
freely acessible vendor site, but it's clear that some (relatively few)
years ago the nominal thicknesses of US manufacturers' plywoods went to
a -64th or -32nd from nominal. Whether that was specifically to meet
common metric dimensions for export or simply from a material savings
standpoint I'm not aware, but I'm sure it was done by (and for) the
manufacturers, <not> the (US) consumers. It was much less a pita about
joining or matching thicknesses prior.
Very unlikely. You know, you can usually get higher quality *and*
lower priced wood by going to an actual lumberyard. I don't know
about plywood specifically, but I do know that hardwoods are
dramatically overpriced where I'm at. For example, Red oak sells for
$2.35 a bf at my local hardwood dealer. All their wood is kiln-dried,
and most of it is figured at least slightly- they carry about 20
different species of timber, plywood and mdf.
The other local lumberyard sells red oak (all of it is highly figured
and very nice, from what I've seen of it) for $3.25 a bf. That yard
will get your lumber to finished dimentions, S4S in their shop for $7
an hour- and they can get a lot of lumber through in an hour. It's
all straight, and it's all pretty, but they only supply spruce, oak,
and on a good day, beech.
Menard's, OTOH, sells a lower-quality oak for $8-12 a bf- It is
dimentional, sure, but it is also warped and the "surfacing" they do
is with sanders, and not with planers. They offer a pathetic
selection of 4-5 different hardwoods, all with similar prices- I've
seen cherry marked at over $25 a bf, compared to the dealer I use, who
charges $5.50 for extremely curly cherry. (Lackluster cherry is $4.25
a bf) They call Luoun "mahogany" and almost every peice of lumber and
plywood in the rack is twisted.
So why do people keep supporting these places? The borgs DO NOT care
about the wood they sell. Your local hardwood dealers do- and they're
probably woodworkers just like you. Ah well, may as well try and stop
the relentless pursuit of WalMart. (Incidentally, I do not and will
not shop at WalMart for any reason either.)
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I have an awesome hardwood dealer in the area. Unfortunately, he is 30
miles away from home and 45 from the office, and only open during the week
from 8 to 4. He is open on Saturdays 8 -12, but I piss away the entire
morning driving down there. I really, really, should plan ahead, piss the
half day away, and stock up when I go down there.....
Shoot, there's no where even half the size of town within 60 miles of
me, and none of them have a single hardwood dealer. Closest I can get
to is roughly 200 miles and they have to order in most anything the
least bit out of the ordinary...
I did order some clear pine through the local lumber yard and it cost
more in shipping than the material... :( (They forgot to mention they
don't order from that mill routinely so it came all by itself...)
Whew... wait a minute- you live that far out of the way, and there
isn't a sawmill around somewhere? Where do ya live, a desert?
Anyhow, that sucks- but it could be an opportunity for you, if you've
got enough money to buy large amounts and resell it to other local
Sounds like you should plant a few trees and cash in a few years down the
road. Or, is there some reason why trees don't grow well out there? I know
about pollination and stuff, but that can be handled I believe.
Well, my grandkids would be the ones doing the cashing in, if there were
to be any, not me... :)
It's simply the geography and weather of the High Plains...
It's semi-arid, windy and the soil is suited to the native grasses, not
trees (very sandy).
A primary reason there were essentially no trees natively was that the
prairies burned, on the average, at roughly 5-10 year intervals. When
it's dry, open, the wind is blowing a dry thunderstorm can burn a whole
lot of country in a hurry. The grass regenerates quickly, but woody
There are now far more trees than ever from plantings and even the
occasional "wild" sprouting since the grasslands are now protected from
fire (and what ones that do get started are normally put out) even
though there was one east of us earlier this winter that burned about
8000 acres because it was in areas not easily accessible.
For commercial hardwood production it would simply not be practical--the
amount of irrigation and fertilization required to get a reasonable
growth rate would be excessively expensive and the wind would be nearly
impossible to prevent from making poor quality lumber for woodworking
purposes. All trees lean to the north from the prevalent south wind and
we think if it's under 20 mph it's "calm"--anything up to about 30-35
mph or so is just "breezy", and at 40+ mph we'll allow its a "tad" windy
today... :) 50-60 mph is not that uncommon ahead of fronts w/ as the
low approaches. This can easily last for a couple of days before the
shift behind the front and the subsequent high pressure builds in.
I will note, however, that <eastern> KS, particularly the SE corner, is
fairly heavily wooded and is still a major producer of walnut although
nothing to the scale of the top two or three states for the simple
reason it's a fairly small area in KS...
The borgs don't carry the volume that a lumberyard carries, that's one
reason the price is high. They carry it more as a conveniences to the
occasional customer who needs something in a pinch.
On the rare occasion I buy plywood, I go to HD because they already
have 2x4 sheets, which fit into my Saturn.
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Aha- I can sympathize with that one! We had a two-door something or
other before I got my van, and it was a real chore to get anything
moved around. I guess as far as volume is concerned, it's been my
experience that the two within driving distance (Menard's and Home
Depot- HD is a loooong haul, though) consider themselves one-stop
shops for any amount of lumber. I think they're just overcharging for
crappy wood, but that's their perrogative.
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