Plywood armor plating

[Larry Jaques]

On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 06:51:36 GMT, the inscrutable Nate Perkins spake:

Yeah, a few percent difference is a "mandate." Go figure.

49+ million votes against don't mean a thing to him.

My neighbor has been saying that Shrub and friends are convinced that they'll live forever in heaven after they cause Armageddon; they don't care if they bludgeon the world to that end. Suddenly the plot thickens...

Yes, scary.

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[mac davis]

good point... we should attack one of the "Sovereign" Indian nations in California next... lose to them and collect foreign aid from the casino profits..

mac

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[Swingman]

The election is over. The American _people_ made a decision ... quit your whining and get over the fact you were in a minority.

[mac davis]

Rob.. In my experience, that's a squad or platoon level decision... The brass in the choppers make decisions based on the "big picture" and the pressure on them from higher up brass... The guys on the ground that are taking fire are the ones that have to decide whether they're going to disobey the order from "above" to avoid needless loss of their people..

I was one of many NCO's that were busted for not letting my people do stupid things that were ordered by people that were too new "in country" to understand what was going on where the rubber meets the road...

As to your question about men going blindly forward when ordered, that's why they drafted teenagers... they still think that they're immortal..

Try getting a large group of middle age guys to charge that gun, and you'll have a discussion like this one first.. lol

mac

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[mac davis]

funny as it sounds, a slanted piece of plywood MIGHT possibly deflect an m-16 or SAG round, as they tend to tumble when they hit something... Of course, an ak-47 would just make swiss cheese out of it..

mac

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[Charlie Self]

Swingman notes:

Flying in a helicopter defies natural laws anyway, IMO. I think they told us our fuel tanks were "cells" with self-sealing lining. I used to wonder what difference that would make with nice green tracers doing their penetrating thing. I was glad I was never in one in such a circumstance, though, and remain glad today.

But it doesn't take firepower: prelim word is that the Sea Stallion that went down yesterday killing 31 Marines was screwed up by a sandstorm.

Charlie Self "They want the federal government controlling Social Security like it's some kind of federal program." George W. Bush, St. Charles, Missouri, November 2,

2000

[Robatoy]

That was totally uncalled for. If you need to resort to that method of debate, count me out.

How about that hockey strike, eh?

[Swingman]

You don't have to "disobey" orders in most cases, just be smart about it.

Good on you ... those with courage and sense did the same thing to protect their men when the "rubber met the road". My hat's off to you.

Those "middle aged guys" are at staff level and you don't often see them in the thick of things, in any war. In yours and my war, they were famous for flying around in the relative safety of a helicopter at 1500 feet, trying to get time in for an Air Medal while playing general.

It was always easy to ignore them and do what you need to do to both accomplish the mission and protect your own men ... funny how those Prick25's suddenly wouldn't work for air to ground communications on occasion, aint it?

As they say, the idea is not to die for your country/cause, but to make the enemy die for his ... as you obviously know firsthand, you learn this real early if you're smart, and you die if you don't.

[Swingman]

I preferred to sit on my flak jacket, in any type of transport, be it ground or air, instead of wearing it ... for all the good that would do. But there is comfort, if false security, in liittle things like that which allow your mind to accept the risks and to keep going.

A tragic loss of life ... and contrary to what most likely think I would say in this thread, a needless one.

I firmly believe we need to take the battle to the Islamic fundamentalist, but we need to choose those battles wisely. I don't agree for a minute that we have done so, but all the head-in-the-sand ignoring of the reality that we damn well better see it to the end, regardless of the wisdom of the initial choice, just floors me.

[Swingman]

Then why do you get upset if you were indeed "just asking"?

[fredfighter]

newsgroup

IOW, those who filter to remove cross-posts don't want to read the OT articles in the first place, right?

Works for me.

Rec.woodworking is one newsgroup that works as intended. We have great, flame-free discussions of woodworking and woodworking- related topics. Most of the off-topic articles are crossposted here by trolls.

What boggles the mind is that evidently a few of the regular participants are unhappy about that flame-free environment and insist on posting off-topic articles with subjects guaranteed to provoke flame wars. One supposes that results largely from two factors. First, a profound ignorance of UseNet itself and/or an attitude that accepted rules of nettiquette are for other people only.

[Mike Marlow]

I think I'm beginning to see your original intention Fred, which was either not clear, or I simply missed, earlier on. I now appears you were trying to direct the conversation over to alt.politics rather than allow it to run here. I wouldn't agree with that as a tactic, but if that's what your intent was, then I did misinterpret it in the beginning. It appeared to me to be what we see a lot of in usenet - trolls who cross post in order to bring others in from different groups, for the sake of creating a major cluster f*ck. If I misinterpreted your intent, then I apologize.

[fredfighter]

As the British say, spot on.

Thanks.

[Swingman]

Not necessarily ... everyone responds differently at different times. Many don't mind participating in the ocassional OT rant/tirade/dicussion/flame fest if it is among familiar participants of the group. The best, and worst, of us are guilty.

Then, there is always the NEXT key for net nanny wannabe's.

[Robatoy]

I am not upset. No reason to be upset.

[Robatoy]

Thanks, Mac. That I understood.

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Rob

[Mark & Juanita]

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So, has anybody missed hockey this season?

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[Nate Perkins]

"Swingman" wrote in news:XfedncFu4qJyimTcRVn- [e-mail]:

You must be working overtime keeping up with all the political posts. I think you have a very long row to hoe.

"Great mistakes in the ruling part, will be borne by the people without mutiny or murmur." -- John Locke

[Nate Perkins]

"Swingman" wrote in news: [e-mail]:

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So what tools are you suggesting?

[George]

While the discussion rages among the "army of one" types, the actual action, for which the infiltration was to have provided a diversion, has resulted in a four time casualty rate.