Yep, but in viewing the video, my thought was what architect and builder
built that POS. You never want a roof coming down into an area that
cannot shed the water. And certainly there were a few of those. Stupid
design, and beginner roofer.
On Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 6:46:39 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
I just don't see how anyone walks away from that job thinking that they'll
get away with it. Maybe, just maybe those little end pieces are rookie
mistakes and they thought they were OK. Maybe, just maybe they thought that
the homemade ridge caps would hold and look OK. But the unfinished sections
The shingles just laying on the roof loose? The holes where the wind driven
rain will blow into? Those have to have been left that way on purpose.
I can barely roof a simple shed but I know enough that things need to be
closed up, covered up, nailed down, etc. Even if I did a crappy job, things
would at least be sealed up by the time I climbed down the ladder.
If direct employees (even an owner) of the company did the work, did they n
know that a final inspection would be done? If they were day-laborers from
front of Home Depot, was there no supervision by the actual company? With
that many blatant errors, the entire crew had to have known what was a POS
install that was.
I can see not caring, but I can't see expecting not to get caught.
By the way, it's amazing that anyone knows how to roof a house anymore.
You have people installing shingles who are 3rd generation ignorant.
Meaning, they guy trained them doesn't know what he's doing and he was
trained by a guy who didn't know what he was doing who trained by a
previous guy who didn't know what he was doing. I won't get into the
politics of it all but I think we all know the score.
Heck, there are even supposed experts writing for well respected
magazines who give bad advice on their websites. I won't name names,
but one magazine that specializes in writing about Building Fine Homes
;-) has a section of tips where their experts write about different
One of their experts wrote a tip about flashing around a roof pipe and
he advised to put nails in the exposed section of the flashing and put
some dabs of roof cement over the nails.
Horrible advise. If every shingle flap on the roof stays down because
it's held with roofing tar, then a metal flap is going to hold down as
I have a rule of thumb I use to pick pick out a roofer who doesn't know
what he's doing, and I tell homeowners this rule all the time. If you
see a single nail on a shingle roof, the roofer didn't know what he was
doing. We're not talking metal roofs with rubber gasket nails. We're
talking asphalt overlay shingles.
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
On Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 3:24:57 PM UTC-8, woodchucker wrote:
We'll never know about the original design (tile roof), but certainly the
shinglers ought to have known to reframe (add 'chimney cricket'
features) and repair (what's that ripple about?), and reflash.
Instead, they just ... covered.
Probably there's minimum-wage installers and a foreman, and the foreman
is dim. The owner, who is NOT dim, hired an inspector before he made final
On Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 9:37:32 PM UTC-6, Bill wrote:
With an inspection report as that, as ammunition (*it's been dug deep enoug
h, already), the homeowner can have it totally reinstalled (*besides the no
-telling what else is wrong, that is not readily seen). The roofer should
be insured, but even if not, he is liable. The homeowner may not be obli
gated to use the same roofer, for the removal/re-installation.
On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 6:39:31 PM UTC-6, -MIKE- wrote:
Some months ago, we had a hail storm. I've asked 5-6 local roofers for an
inspection and quote for new roofing. Not one of them has given me an it
emized written quote. Yesterday, I met another roofer, while buying a chai
nsaw. I'm waiting on him for another inspection/quote.
Also, a Baton Rouge company was going door-to-door, soliciting for work, ma
king special note of insurer's paying the bill. Their fast-talking promo w
as obviously rehearsed, but I bit, for a quote. Their written quote was so
over-priced it was unbelievable. One example: My roof is 45 squares, whi
ch includes % for waste. I installed the present roof, 35 yrs ago. They
quoted for 70 squares. They had determined my sq ft by measuring a Google
Earth image.... *Too freaking lazy to do a proper measurement. Obvious r
ed flags, as that, always put me off.
Taking advantage of unknowing customers.
My son was quoted almost $40k for a new metal roof on a 1300 ft home. I
originally paid $7500 for that roof about 20 years ago. It had wind damage
and insurance paid for it. He opted for the much less expensive
composition shingle and money n his pocket.
On another note, in the Houston area, the appraisal district for property
taxes use google earth photographs too.
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