OT: Worst roofing job ever

[Michael]

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[pyotr filipivich]

Michael on Wed, 20 Dec 2017 11:34:15 -0800 (PST) typed in rec.woodworking the following:

Reminds me of the song about Barf Construction "We'll throw it up!"

[Ed Pawlowski]

Looks good from 200 yards away.

[-MIKE-]

I see that kind of $h!t all over in middle TN. Somebody needs to be sued and possibly jailed for that crap.

[Leon]

Or as the quilters say, looks good from a galloping horse.

[Leon]

+10

[notbob]

I know zip about roofs, but it takes no expert to tell this is not right!

Usta live in Middle TN, many yrs ago. Sorry to see/hear about it. 8|

nb

[woodchucker]

Yep, but in viewing the video, my thought was what architect and builder built that POS. You never want a roof coming down into an area that cannot shed the water. And certainly there were a few of those. Stupid design, and beginner roofer.

[-MIKE-]

Amateur architect and/or framers who didn't follow the plans. It's possible that cricket/saddle framing was specified in the planes but not done by the framers.

[DerbyDad03]

I just don't see how anyone walks away from that job thinking that they'll get away with it. Maybe, just maybe those little end pieces are rookie mistakes and they thought they were OK. Maybe, just maybe they thought that the homemade ridge caps would hold and look OK. But the unfinished sections ? The shingles just laying on the roof loose? The holes where the wind driven rain will blow into? Those have to have been left that way on purpose.

I can barely roof a simple shed but I know enough that things need to be closed up, covered up, nailed down, etc. Even if I did a crappy job, things would at least be sealed up by the time I climbed down the ladder.

If direct employees (even an owner) of the company did the work, did they n ot know that a final inspection would be done? If they were day-laborers from in front of Home Depot, was there no supervision by the actual company? With that many blatant errors, the entire crew had to have known what was a POS install that was.

I can see not caring, but I can't see expecting not to get caught.

[-MIKE-]

Yes, to all of the above. Unfortunately. These companies are fly-by-night and when they've used up their welcome in one town, they either file bankruptcy and skedaddle out of town, or just skedaddle.

[-MIKE-]

By the way, it's amazing that anyone knows how to roof a house anymore. You have people installing shingles who are 3rd generation ignorant. Meaning, they guy trained them doesn't know what he's doing and he was trained by a guy who didn't know what he was doing who trained by a previous guy who didn't know what he was doing. I won't get into the politics of it all but I think we all know the score.

Heck, there are even supposed experts writing for well respected magazines who give bad advice on their websites. I won't name names, but one magazine that specializes in writing about Building Fine Homes ;-) has a section of tips where their experts write about different techniques, etc.

One of their experts wrote a tip about flashing around a roof pipe and he advised to put nails in the exposed section of the flashing and put some dabs of roof cement over the nails. Horrible advise. If every shingle flap on the roof stays down because it's held with roofing tar, then a metal flap is going to hold down as well.

I have a rule of thumb I use to pick pick out a roofer who doesn't know what he's doing, and I tell homeowners this rule all the time. If you see a single nail on a shingle roof, the roofer didn't know what he was doing. We're not talking metal roofs with rubber gasket nails. We're talking asphalt overlay shingles.

[whit3rd]

We'll never know about the original design (tile roof), but certainly the shinglers ought to have known to reframe (add 'chimney cricket' features) and repair (what's that ripple about?), and reflash. Instead, they just ... covered.

Probably there's minimum-wage installers and a foreman, and the foreman is dim. The owner, who is NOT dim, hired an inspector before he made final payment.

[Bill]

I'm curious how someone can "make this right". I'd be tempted to "dig deeper" and see if it could be justified that the whole job be totally re-done.

[Sonny]

Some months ago, we had a hail storm. I've asked 5-6 local roofers for an inspection and quote for new roofing. Not one of them has given me an it emized written quote. Yesterday, I met another roofer, while buying a chai nsaw. I'm waiting on him for another inspection/quote.

Also, a Baton Rouge company was going door-to-door, soliciting for work, ma king special note of insurer's paying the bill. Their fast-talking promo w as obviously rehearsed, but I bit, for a quote. Their written quote was so over-priced it was unbelievable. One example: My roof is 45 squares, whi ch includes % for waste. I installed the present roof, 35 yrs ago. They quoted for 70 squares. They had determined my sq ft by measuring a Google Earth image.... *Too freaking lazy to do a proper measurement. Obvious r ed flags, as that, always put me off.

Taking advantage of unknowing customers.

Sonny

[Sonny]

With an inspection report as that, as ammunition (*it's been dug deep enoug h, already), the homeowner can have it totally reinstalled (*besides the no

-telling what else is wrong, that is not readily seen). The roofer should be insured, but even if not, he is liable. The homeowner may not be obli gated to use the same roofer, for the removal/re-installation.

Sonny

[Leon]

Easy to make this right if you don't pay up front.

[krw]

Of course the homeowner can have it totally reinstalled. The problem is getting it paid for. I would expect someone who did this sort of work would be "suit proof".

[krw]

Not always possible, at least in total.

[Leon]

My son was quoted almost $40k for a new metal roof on a 1300 ft home. I originally paid $7500 for that roof about 20 years ago. It had wind damage and insurance paid for it. He opted for the much less expensive composition shingle and money n his pocket.

On another note, in the Houston area, the appraisal district for property taxes use google earth photographs too.