Why? Seatbelts on school busses are questionable. They can even cause
damage if not use properly or if buckles fly around. The seats of the busses
are designed for better impact control that the typical automobile. The
seat backs have crush zones for the kids in the seat behind it, mounting
brackets have to pass certain testing etc.
If the child is seat belted into his seat he or she is less likely to be
jumping and running around on the bus. I see this every day during my 2
mile walk around 2 schools You have to be seated, for the seat back crush
zone to be effective. ;~)
And in the event of an accident that requires rapid evacuation (i.e. fire)
do you think that it is realistic for a driver to run around and unbelt 60
kids? I generally agree that restraint is good. However in the unique
conditions of a schoolbus, I think that this is not a clear cut issue, that
is not a matter of simple cost cutting.
You're right, it's a matter of every school bus in the country having to be
replaced with a redesigned vehicle built around the same principles of
restraint in other modes of transportation ... a downright "inconvenience"
that _responsible_ leaders would not shrug off with statistics twisted to
suit the status quo and bleating sheep.
Sorry, Dude, I simply don't buy the horseshit rationale and statistical lies
expressed by the powers-that-be on this issue.
What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander ... it is adamantly
argued that restraint in accidents saves lives in every other mode of
motorized transportation, to the point of _law_. Only deluded fools would
make a legal exception for school busses, which daily carry the future (as
bleak as it might be due to the very same reluctance and lack of leadership)
of this country
The argument/theory of "compartmentalization" works fine when a bus is
upright, but goes right out the window otherwise ... along with the kid. We
saw that with ample clarity yesterday: "Statistically", four more of our
children would be alive this morning had there been some form of sensible
restraint designed, by law, into that Minnesota school bus ... something
other than the cop-out "compartmentalization" method of non-restraint.
Besides, where would you rather spend taxpayer's money - on inflated
salaries of politicians and educrats who must drive, seatbelted, to work
each school day; or perhaps on the various boondoogles of politicians and
corporate interest's that drain money from the taxpayer with no benefit
whatsoever; or on safe transportation for your children, where they must
wear a seat belt in any other conveyance on the way to school, except the
Oh yeah, while we're on the subject of taxpayer money actually being spent
on the public good ... where the hell is the vision this country's
leadership once exhibited in developing an interstate highway system? If Al
Gore really wants to take the "initiative" with regard to the Internet ...
it's time we built a "broadband internet highway", as ubiquitous and as
available to _every_ citizen, as the interstate highway system.
Unfortunately, as with the lack of restraint designed into school busses, we
no longer have the vision, honesty, foresight or fortitude to tackle these
types of issues ... and we will simply bleat about it on the way to our
Remember, it's your children who will suffer, on all counts ..
You make very good points. My primary point was that this is not an easy
issue. While I agree that there are great issues with leadership in this
country, I do not think that the issue of seatbelts in school buses is a
simple one that just boils down to politicians and bus companies trying to
make cheap buses. Seatbelts would be an easy and relatively inexpensive
solution, if it were the right one. It just simply is not that easy.
Currently schoolbuses have a laundry list of design criteria for the sake of
safety. Now, can they be safer? Perhaps. Is there a better answer?
Probably. Do I have them? Not at all. But having worked in the bus
transportation business I can tell you that this is an issue that is hotly
debated even among the professionals and executives in that particular
segment of the industry. Incidents like the one in Minnesota will renew
this debate within the industry and will cause a number of people to
honestly question how they have been doing things. Hopefully that debate
and examination will at some point lead to a solution.
Make the lil' suckers walk to school, uphill both ways, in the snow, like we
did..... they might lose a few pounds and get in shape.. ;-]
Then, cut the above mentioned pay in half and use the proceeds to pay good
teachers a decent salary.. YMWV
Please remove splinters before emailing
BZZZZT! Logic 101 - grade F. Once you fire a teacher, I suppose you
believe the students in that classroom disappear? You'd need to hire a
replacement or else add to the load of the remaining grade level
Besides, how do _you_ identify a "bad" teacher?
You are kidding right? You have to be involved in the school and what your
kids are doing. When my children had an incompetent teacher, I made the
school aware, as did other concerned parents. Those two teachers no longer
teach in those schools. My kids are long out of school, but one of their
high school teachers that is well entrenched in the system finally got
bounced after 20+ years. It can be done and should be done.
No I wasn't kidding. I was referring to those who criticize and
belly-ache because they heard about so and so or read something on the
'net. You must be involved in the schools to know what's really going
For example, that the mention of God or religious articles are banned in
public schools lament. I may think that is the situation in our town if
I hadn't been involved in my local elementary school for the last 4
years. Once you expose yourself to the "inside" community you learn the
real scoop - both bad and good. (and in my mind the good far outpaces
the bad - I see dedicated teachers and staff who passionately care about
"their" kids' achievements and well-being, both in school and out.)
Good on ya Edwin! All parents and community members should be as
involved as you were.
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