And each generation becomes calloused just enough to make it through
their respective lifetime. My grandfather would be appalled at what
bothers me. His father would be in shock.
Just down the street the Isle of Shoals sits out on the horizon. It
always appears the same to me as it does to each generation. But if my
great grandfather could stand on the shore and look out with me he'd
probably state that its moved.
I recall reading some (sociological?) studies years ago done with lab
rats. As I recall, as their population density increased, the rate of
aberrant behavior increased much faster than did the population. Sort
of like the rats were being forced inside each others "fight or
Wonder if that's why there seems to be so many two-legged vermin these
Tom Veatch wrote:
> Wonder if that's why there seems to be so many two-legged vermin these
I suspect that is from a lack of being smacked up side the head by
parents who truly cared when they were young.
I can't agree with that assumption. Sure, the population has increased, but
the density of people in the cities was horrid at the turn of the 20th
century. Just look back at the old neighborhoods in large cities, the sweat
shops, etc. and you will find most of us are living in much better
Our parents and grandparents fought for better conditions in the workplace
and in housing, but now the politicians are just taking control of every
aspect of our lives. The tenements of New York City or Chicago did not need
all the rules that an HOA in a suburb of California has in place today.
Years ago, teachers with 50 students in a classroom had better control than
teachers can have with 15 students today.
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> I can't agree with that assumption. Sure, the population has
> the density of people in the cities was horrid at the turn of the 20th
> century. Just look back at the old neighborhoods in large cities,
> shops, etc. and you will find most of us are living in much better
Yes, living conditions were not the greatest in the inner part of most
major US cities, but an escape for a few hours on a Sunday into the
open country side was a relatively short distance away.
Central Park in NYC was built specifically to provide some "escape
space" for people living in the city.
Cleveland had the Metropolitan Park System known as the Emerald
Necklace with includes golf courses, a polo field, lakes, etc for the
I'm certain many other older established cities around the US have
similar facilities that were probably established during the last
quarter of the 19th century.
The cities and all the congestion they represent, have engulfed these
If these facilities were to be established today, it simply would not
happen. The cost would be totally prohibitive.
The demand for housing space has/is swallowing up open space at an
There are simply less and less open spaces where people can be alone,
pass a little gas, and just plain get away from other people.
The population here in SoCal is expected to double in the next 20 or
There is simply not enough infrastructure to support that kind of growth.
Increased population density is inevitable if that growth is to be
> Our parents and grandparents fought for better conditions in the
> and in housing, but now the politicians are just taking control of
> aspect of our lives.
Most politicians respond to voters.
Very few offer original ideas since you can lose elections that way.
As a result, voters can complain, but they also need to look in the
> Years ago, teachers with 50 students in a classroom had better
> teachers can have with 15 students today.
I had my rear end kicked by my coach, a 6'-4", 250 lb, former pro
football player, when I was a freshman in high school.
I knew better than to let my parents know what happened.
I kept my mouth shut and got on with life.
If a teacher tried that today, they would be in court defending
themselves from a lawsuit filed by the parents.
Times have certainly changed, and not necessarily for the better.
Almost everybody has turned into a goddamn sissy-
we need more kicks in the ass, and less sensitivity. Nothing corrects
abject stupidity quite as quick as a crack in the mouth- put an end to
the stupidity, and we'll all have a nicer place to live, city and
And it never took politicians to legislate that before. Parents can
do it just fine, as long as they're not threatened with jail if they
spank a kid for lighting the neighbor's cat on fire. Whiny,
self-indulgent kids grow up to be whiny, self-indulgent adults. Even
if they're good kids, they need to learn acceptable risk taking
behavior on the playground- or they grow up to be weak and timid.
Everyone used to know this crap, I don't know how it all got turned
sideways like it has.
It's ironic that as we as a species continue to breed like rabbits,
there are some idiots working as frantically as possible to make sure
that not only does every single person *survive* as long as possible,
but that we take extra care that no one need suffer anything worse
than a paper cut.
Honestly, I believe that it is the parents fault now days. Just look at how
many children go unsupervised for long periods of time. Remember back when
if an adult saw you screwing off, they'd walk up to you and "talk' to you,
or grab you by the ear and take you off to your parents. Now, if someone did
that they would be in court up to their ass. When I was young just the
thought of my father finding out I did something I wasn't supposed to kept
me from doing it. The phrase just you wait til your father gets home was
enough to make me wish it was only jail.
But, I am not going to let that happen to my kids, with my son all I
have to do say that " you really disapointed me" and that make my son
genuinly sad. The phrase wait til your father gets home still means
something in this house. Oh, I don't ever hit him, but don't tell him that.
He is a very good child with normal boyish behaviour, and I like that. I let
him get away with certain things yet there are others that simply don't fly
here. I tell him to go to bed he goes and without a fuss. It falls to us the
parents to stop this problem.
Not lack of supervision, but lack of value or morality, which is what keeps
you from stealing when nobody's around. As kids we played in great gaggles
for hours on end in isolated areas of the neighborhood as well as in the
street, where the expansion joints made a somewhat elongated diamond for
baseball. But we knew we could be sent home by any adult, and tried to put
on our most civilized demeanor in front of them, even the ones we hated,
because treating adults with deference was the _right_ thing to do.
All you have to do is look at the way adult/child relationships are
portrayed on the great broadcast teacher to understand those days are gone.
Who's the smart one, parent or child? Refreshing to see "leave it to
Beaver" episodes where the loving parents carefully allow just enough
freedom to sample the dangerous waters, while waiting to reel to safety.
Almost as if they knew something about the business of life through
If you don't have to defer even to the authority of your parents, imagine
what kind of a citizen you'll become.
I would hazard a guess that 9.9 out of 10 politicians would make a
stand on this issue if the nearly-as-moronic press ran with it. LOL
The most elaborate pretense I've seen this year - so far...
On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 14:23:03 +1300, Barry Lennox wrote:
That website (and a companion dedicated, IIRC, to oxygen di-hydrate) has
relly been spruced up since last I saw it. What we need now is one
dedicated to aluminum bat bladder gas and its effects on the environment.
Ya know what's really sad? ... Such a site probably already exists.
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