I must be getting senile - this is the second time this year I've agreed with Krauthammer :-).
Of course immigration is one of the issues I've always been conservative on. I don't think we need any more people from anywhere - I've seen the population more than double since I started grade school and I don't like the result.
But, since our entire economy is one big Ponzi scheme ...
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Ditto. Yet, Big Brother continues to encourage procreation via personal deductions for one's offspring from your earnings prior to applying tax due.
What they *should* be doing is the reverse...give deductions - or even credits - for fewer offspring and a higher tax rate for more. The chances of that happening are way less than Dubya saying, "I was wrong".
Oh, wait...were you limiting population increase to that due to border jumping?
On Sat, 2 Feb 2013 15:44:47 -0500, "dadiOH"
And just as obviously, you don't have a clue what you're talking about. It's a proven fact that population growth is essential for our economies to survive.
Now, if want to give up your current status (with all its attendant rights and privileges) that the North American economy provides, then maybe your comments may have some merit.
Until that time, you're simply spouting crap.
---------------------------------------------------- Astute observation.
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-------------------------------------------------------- Sorry guys but the birth rate in the USA has been dropping for at least the last 50 years.
Do a Google on "USA birth rate" for others.
Biggest problem is the bible thumper fanatics attempting to impact legislation that attempts to interfere with the interaction between a woman and her doctor relative to woman's health issues.
Seems the old fart white guys think they should still strive to keep women second class citizens.
Off the box.
Lew
Larry Blanchard wrote in news:kejl0o$55l$ snipped-for-privacy@speranza.aioe.org:
Because of decreased fertility, we have now many more geezers like me collecting social security and fewer capable young people working to pay for that social security. And you want to further decrease the young population???
If you are talking about the economy of more, MORE, *MORE* I suppose you are right. There are other models.
That's what I said - a Ponzi scheme.
I never saw this proved anywhere. I guess whether it's true or not depends on what you mean by "survive". What did you mean by survive? And what did you mean by "our economies", i.e. why the plural? Which ones do you regard as "ours"?
Essential, huh? You think we need more people? Gosh, and some people want to close U.S borders! You think they have it backwards?
Bill
The biggest is Social Security. The money I've paid in for 50 years is not mine in an account. It was given away to those older and I'm going to rely on the younger generation. Scary, huh.
---------------------------------------------------- Say what you will, it's been working for almost 80 years, aided along by the tobacco industry which has killed who knows how many before they reached retirement age.
Lew
I'd answer yes and no.
Our country was built on immigrants that brought skills, their labor and yes, their buying power to create a demand for goods we make. That makes an economy grow and be strong.
What does not though, is illegal immigrants that come and use all of our facilities and pay nothing towards it. If you want to come and work, OK with me, but if you only want to make babies and get freebies, stay home.
If you come and work and don't pay taxes, you are at least doing a necessary chore and being a consumer. It is when you just take and do not give that upsets people. As for taking American jobs, I doubt that in most cases. I never met anyone that wanted a career picking lettuce in the hot sun. It was not a course in my school.
Not only that, but all the excess you paid into the SS trust fund was transferred to the general fund and spent - leaving about $3 trillion of IOUs in the trust fund.
And to add to it, the SS and Medicare tax holiday for those younger workers essentially defunded both programs for several years.
On Sun, 03 Feb 2013 14:10:23 -0500, Bill
North American economies Bill. Basically the US and Canada. Slightly different but essentially the same.
On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 07:47:02 -0500, "dadiOH"
Sure there are other models. But I have to wonder what percentage of people would be prepared to experience life in one of those 'other models' knowing about this one?
I have to question whether you'd be prepared to switch to one of those other models. Computers, technology, woodworking machinery, even advanced health care could well be gone in one of your 'other models'.
The current model we live in is factually keeping me alive. In some of, perhaps many of those other models you speak about, people with my medical needs would have died off a long time ago. I wouldn't want to live in many of those other models, even if I didn't have my current medical requirements.
On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 12:27:43 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
But, like all ponzi schemes, it will eventually collapse from it's own weight and hurt an incredibly large amount of people.
At least they won't be able to say they didn't haveachance to see it coming! I just don't want anyone to act totally surprised, that's all. I can't hear them now, "We (all) knew this was going to happen, and here it is!"
I fail to see how your continued living is dependant upon an ever increasing population.
There are three countries in North America. And, what of the economies of Europe? Asia? South America? Et cetera.
Since I am a long time lurker and have never posted I'm not sure where this= will show up so apologies in advance. I'm white, 61, and study the Bible b= ut can't figure out how my actions are interfering with the relationship wo= men have with their doctors and what effect that relationship may have on t= he US population. Maybe it is a west coast thing. BTW...thanks to all that = post useful techniques, tool pro and con data,and pictures of your work. Mo= st appreciated.=20
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