Got a flyer from these people last night and was interested in the
Kreg miter gage. It looks like Kreg tool purchased the Fasttrack gage
and will now be producing, or at least selling them.
They look good, I was just woundering if they are as good as the ones
reviewed in FWW last year.
I bought one at the Woodworking show in Sacramento about a month ago. It
is an excellent piece of equipment. Virtually ALL that was changed, and
this was supposedly just as part of a test, was the color of anodization on
the Fastrack fence piece. Mine's blue, as if that matters.
I bought both a 24" version and a 36" add-on fence, since both kitchen
cabinets and living room tables are on my honey-do list.
The only problem I had was that the miter bar adjustment mechanism revealed
that the miter slots in my 18 month old Unisaw are slightly unequal in
width. When adjusted for my preferred left-side position, the miter works
well, but is too snug for the right side slot to move. The head scratching
is proceeding as to how to remedy that situation, although it isn't the
most critical of problems.
More Signal. Less Noise (tm charlieb)
Looks like a nice tool, but I have one question. They state that it is
machined to ISO9002 tolerances. What with that? ISO does not specify miter
gauge tolerances or any other tolerance that I know of.
I thought ISO meant that you just had to document what your specs and
processes were, and then submit to audits that showed that your
organization actually used those processes, specifications and documents.
Theoretically, I suppose, you could say +/- 1/16", and still be ISO
This Kreg/Fastrack tool has me cutting much tighter miters than before.
That, and a stiffer, full kerf blade in the table saw.
That's about the size of it. In a former life, my employer went for ISO9000
certification. It was a real eye-opener for me to find
that the entire interest was in the documentation. Product? What's the product got to
do with it?
Wichita, KS USA
Totally independent of product. Along the same lines as the fact that
every company now believes it must have a mission statement. Thing is,
every mission statement sounds exactly the same as every other mission
statement, the only difference is the product or service:
"We plan to be the most highly respected [insert manufacturing sector here]
by providing quality [insert widgets or service here] that exceed our
customers requirements through highly motivated people and documented
processes [optional: substitute quality or process initiative de'jour for
'documented processes'] while maintaining the highest ethical standards."
So, it doesn't matter whether you are making rockets, autos, or
hamburgers, the mission statement is the same.
Did I miss anything?
I get the gist - and agree. But you made me curious about this. This is
about as close as I could come to a rationale in a few minutes:
Looks like they should have said something more along the lines of
"manufactured in a ISO 9002 accredited shop according to ISO Guide 25/17025
standards and processes." Or sumtin' like dat...
ISO certification pretty much comes down to stating "this is what we do and
how we check that it stays that way".
I wrote the QC manual for our company using ISO 9000 guidelines. To comply,
I must have a measuring device that can be traced back to a particular
measure. Our industry tolerance is +- 1/16". Yes, one sixteenth of an
inch. Pretty wide variation. The measuring we do is done with a tape
measure from the hardware store, but I have that certified 24" ruler in my
desk. ISO regulations mean simply that if I say we will meet a tolerance,
that is what we will do, even if I stated the tolerance of +- 1/2" They
don't care and if the customer accepts a sloppy tolerance, we are in spec.
They are selling the discontinued FastTrack precision gauge at
PrairieRiver for $79.99 and the Kreg is just a rebadged Fasttrack
On 3 Jun 2004 11:59:41 -0700, firstname.lastname@example.org (vmtw) wrote:
I saw that too except I wonder if the warranty on the Fasttrack will be as
good as the Lifetime warranty on the Kreg. I wonder if Fasttrack will still
be offering the miter gauge. Seems also that the Kreg has a lens and cursor
on the stops, not sure about the Fasttrack. Kreg also has a neat stop
accessory to deal with mitered ends of boards. I wonder if that accessory
would fit the Fasttrack stops.
Don't know about the warranty, but I know that when the present stock
of Frasttrack products are sold, at that time the old FastTrack line
will ONLY be availble under the KREG brand
Call up PrairieRiver and ask them about interchange ability of the new
KREG stops/etc on the older FastTrack products. As I read it, the new
stops ONLY fit the NEW KREG fences for the miter gauge, but that
extension fits the old FastTrack gauges just fine
On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:54:07 GMT, "Leon"
From what I read, the ONLY changes are to the "fence", and the Kreg
modified "fence" will fit ALL older FastTrack mitergauges. You just
buy the Kreg "fence" to be able to use the new Kreg stops/etc
Looking at commerical crosscut sleds, I find that using 2 of the
FastTrack mitergauges and a 4ft length of DP track (they say they
still have LOTS of the DP track in stock, but will NOT be making more
in the future once the on hand stock is gone) produces a very useable
crosscut sled at a lot less than the cost of the commercial sleds, and
you can use it with or without any attached wood base. Without wood,
it allows you to swing the mitergauge heads to produce a crosscut
"sled" that lets you cut very accurate angle cuts as well as dead on
On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 12:36:21 GMT, "Leon"
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