My apologies!!

[jack-bench.com]

I want to apologize if I offended anyone or if I violated any user rules. I will remove my original posting.

Charlie

[Swingman]

If you're selling something it is customary to precede the Subject with "FS", so those who aren't interested can skip over it, but there are no rules, except for NOT posting binaries, so you didn't break any.

You won't be able to do that, and it is not necessary.

In any event, welcome ... any idea is welcome and this is certainly an idea worthy of consideration for many, and it was certainly on topic.

The fact that you have plans is a good thing to know.

Thanks ...

[FrozenNorth]

Swing, it was posted through googlegroups, he can get it removed from there, unfortunately the rest of usenet will not respect the cancellation. Another case of people thinking google is the better/only way.

But I agree, it is an interesting idea, and he may be a valuable contributor.

[Dave Balderstone]

Charlie, this is usenet. You will never be able to remove the original post.

You haven't offended anyone, you've just been hit with the wreck clue-bat!

Stick around... It's a good place, with lots of interesting people and opinions!

[Dave Balderstone]

Yowza! When did my GG filter get disabled? I shouldn't have even see his post!

[krw]

It's also acceptable to post a link to such things in a (short) sig or to reference them in a thread where it's on topic, with appropriate disclaimers.

...and steal. ;-)

[Swingman]

Google bets on the come for future data mining revenue ... everything gets archived.

It will indeed appear, from the Google user interface, that it has been "removed" ... in reality, Google will have it cached somewhere in perpetuity, even if it was canceled before the few minutes that it takes for the message to be broadcast via nntp, and then you're correct, 'what happens on the net, stays on the net'.

[Joe]

Ditto! Methinks GG changed sometin, cuz I know I didn't.

jc

[Nova]

No need to apoligize, it's good to see a woodworking related post in this woodworking news group for a change. I ask that you stick around... I'd says you'd be a welcomed addition to the group.

[jack-bench.com]

Thanks for cutting me some slack. I appreciate that!!

Charlie

[CW]

Nothing in my kill file has worked in days. Have no idea why.

[mac davis]

As you probably noticed, most responses to your original post were favorable to your bench and plans, just not the "web etiquette" involved, which you can't be blamed for not knowing.. Hang out with us and make saw dust..

mac

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In article , mac davis wrote:

I'll re-post something I recieved "way back":

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[Hoosierpopi]

Hey, no need to apologize, it's not a particularly poor design and the thing looks just grand.

Years ago, in Sarasota, there was a fellow with a definite Mechanical Engineering talent who also partook of a bit of wood working to sooth his troubled soul and please wife and children (I suspect).

For the area, he had quite a spread - probably an acre, maybe more. The first thing I noticed when I arrived (actually looking to purchase something he advertised that - once I saw it - I realized I didn't need) was his mail box out at teh edge of the road.

It was a real contraption and it brought the mail to him! It "knew" when the mailman had deposited the goods and ran on some sort of track back to a covered portion of his home where he might retrieve it without being rained upon should it be raining, of course.

He had a piss pipe installed in his shop - much neater than the quart jar I keep handy now that I know so much more than I ever wanted to about prosrtate problems.

But the thing that brings him to mind as his adjustable bench - how do you spell pneumatic? That's how he had it rigged to go up and down. And, because the bottom/underneath was clear of any obstructions. it really could serve a wheelchair bound craftsman (hey aren't we all wheelchair bound?).

Now, it wasn't a wood worker's bench. It did have a vise - also pneumatically operated! - and a shelf with a light underneath which traveled in concert with the bench.

Now, for those plans, I'd pay you $29.99

He had pother interesting things he'd done with his table saw (adjustable some how) and his drill press (an ossilating feature as I recall) and the wiring in his retreat and home. I went to visit an acquaintance about a year later and found him living in that fellow's home and all the fancy stuff was gone.

I have to confess that I was hoping to find a bench like his when I responded to these posts.

But, again, no need to apologize.

[Denis G.]

Looks like a great workbench! It should be included in Scott Landis' book on workbenches if Taunton Press ever reissues it.

[jack-bench.com]

Thanks for the compliments and for the encouragement. It looks like this can be a pretty tough group! Regardless of that, what I am interested in is woodworking. I like making furniture, tables, boxes, cabinets, etc. I enjoy carving, veneering, and getting lost in the process. I am always looking at new techniques. The other day I attended a seminar on gilding and mold making. I have not actually built much in the last year or so, because getting those plans done properly took so much of my free time. I am disapointed by the tone of some of the postings I see here, but there is enough good that I do plan to stick around this group.

Charlie

[Swingman]

You'll fit in fine ... as Lew say's, some of us have a tendency to huff and puff on occasion, and we all manage to take a turn in that barrel, but most respect each others contributions enough to not hold a grudge after the occasional pissing contest is over and done with.

[Leon]

Thanks for the compliments and for the encouragement. It looks like this can be a pretty tough group! Regardless of that, what I am interested in is woodworking. I like making furniture, tables, boxes, cabinets, etc. I enjoy carving, veneering, and getting lost in the process. I am always looking at new techniques. The other day I attended a seminar on gilding and mold making. I have not actually built much in the last year or so, because getting those plans done properly took so much of my free time. I am disapointed by the tone of some of the postings I see here, but there is enough good that I do plan to stick around this group.

Charlie

Charlie I really hope you do stick around. I mentioned that I was not fond of the closed in area and that I would like to use that area for storage. Have you ever considered screws in each leg to raise and lower the bench? I would work like a planer does to raise and lower the table or cutter head, one central screw that ties to all the others.

[jack-bench.com]

Hi Leon,

I considered many different designs. The reason I went with the scissors jack is because it was simpler to build. I think using scissors jacks are less expensive, too.

Charlie

[Lew Hodgett]

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I agree.

Charlie's woodworking skills are clearly superior to his marketing prowess.

Look forward to his participation.

Lew