i got out the magnifying glass and discovered that my coupon is still
i may actually use it but it's not for a woodworking implement so i
won't mention the item
and i always thought that what the big print giveth the small print
my faith in humanity partially restored
decided not to get it as i came to an alternative design
plus the quality just made me think twice
something about chrome plated parts with the size barely visible
under the chrome
doesn't sit right
anyone want a 20% off H Flet me know
have you ever seen a casting that was made from a copy of another
the definition of numbers/letters diminishes
then you take that lousy copy of a copy and chrome plate it
it looks bad and maybe it's not a copy of a casting maybe it's
a copy of a machined part that they decided to cast
i just couldn't do it
noble i don't know
good to know the coupons are easy to come by
maybe one day coupons discounts and sale price will align
and i will find something
I know my previous post on HFT started a bit of an uproar with some people,
but there are still some things I buy there. I just ALWAYS check it before
I buy it due to changing quality and specifications. I've got a bunch of
12" bar clamps I got from HFT that I using on my injecting and casting test
bench for clamping molds when I test them before I ship them out. I've got
3 HF drill presses (I bought the bigger 16 speed mail order for my current
application), 2 mill drills (older better than what they offer now) and 2 HF
bench sanders that all see regular use in the shop. They are all adequate,
but I always approach anything from HF with a large dollop of salt.
With special product coupons, 20% off coupons, and sales you can often get
something from them that is worth what you paid for it. You just have to
shop a bit.
Heck, I've got two tool carts in my shop that see daily use. One is full of
milling machine tool holders, and one is full of end mills and measuring
And yes every one of these tools has seen some wood, so technically its not
off topic. LOL.
Ok the new drill press has not seen any wood except from across the room. I
mounted a tapping head in it, and plan to leave it there permanently.
I am not one of those people who think just because a piece of equipment say
Central Machinery on it that it must be junk, but I do believe that every
comparable product sold elsewhere see better QC before being offered for
yes number of posts goes up as the importance of any topic goes down
if it's noting to do with wood then even more so possibly logarithmic
over the years with off shoring and all the other nonsense we've
all been burned by low quality at one point but we've also
learned that many name brands can have quality issues and so
we don't put so much emphasis on the name
so i agree with you
chinese engineering: prototype what that
customer buys product that most would call a prototype
chinese: we sold a lot but some customer upset over quality
here's the list of complaints
chinese: modify prodcut based on complains and sell
and so on and so forth
the customer is the QC dept. and they bought the product and
no salary and volunteered the problems with the product
So you do not think that changing and reducing specifications from a vendor
on the same items is important to know, and you do not think tools sold at
HFT are used for wood working or that wood workers would be interested?
I just made a post that I thought would be helpful. I didn't expect to
start a war between fans and detractors or to see it spin off on so many
Actually the Chinese are capable of building to any quality we would
like. The Chinese build to the American Importers specifications.
If you don't like Chinese products blame the importer.
I have many many Chinese built products in my home and they are Superior
to American built. Apple, an American Importer demands a higher quality
On Tuesday, April 28, 2015 at 9:30:19 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
Blame the importer or blame the consumer? Doesn't the importer simply impor
t only what the consumer is willing to pay for?
(BTW...we should probably replace "importer" with "company that requested t
he product". As you know they are not always the same. The importer may be
just that...a company that specializes in importing items into the US, with
no say or stake in the quality of the product.)
Yes, to some extend the consumer is forced to buy only what has been import
ed, but isn't the consumer ultimately to blame for the downward spiral of q
uality by continuing to buy the cheap stuff instead of demanding/buying the
If everyone refused to buy the cheap stuff, there would be no market for it
and it would no longer be imported. Doesn't that place the blame squarely
on the shoulders of the consumer? As you said, the good "Chinese made" stuf
f is out there, consumers just have to be willing to pay for it.
I have found that the Chinese are capable of manufacturing better Chinese p
eople than any other manufacturer. They seem to have the process down to a
I got a couple of those 12" bar clamps yesterday. I have bought a lot of
them. Cheap at three bucks and do the job. I always check them first
before buying them. The quality varies between them.
The coupons are nice as are the free gifts. I got a bunch of the FREE HF
flashlights. They are scattered everywhere around here. I have them in the
cars, all the rooms in the house, in the garage and even on bookshelves.
You can never have too many small LED flashlights. They even come with
batteries already installed.
Their too selection is limited. But sometimes they have something unique or
at least I have not seen them before. Case in point is that I needed to cut
up some wire fencing to install on the back of some bean planters. I always
had problems getting my diagonal cutters to cut through the fairly solid
wire fencing. HF had some "extended reach" cutters. Basically regular
cutters with extra long handles. Thereby providing some extra leverage for
the cutting action.
I used them a week ago to make up my new bean planters. The missus is very
happy with the result. Solid wood with a wire mesh back. I got the nicest
bean patch in the neighborhood.
The big thing with the bar clamps is how freely they move up and down the
bar. Each clamp is different. I try several and get the ones that move
most freely. I have destroyed a number of these clamps just because they
were in the way of an angle grinder of got welded to something. Even lost
one in a blackberry patch while working on a fence. But that is OK. The
same thing would have happened to a bar clamp that cost a lot more. And I
keep finding uses for the short ones. So I keep buying them.
I have a big bolt cutter and tin snips. The long handled diagonal cutter
just worked extremely well for this application. They were small and light
weight. It made the job easy and faster. Also, if I need to cut some wire
for a wiring job, these will be handy as well.
"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote in message
I've found two different tools that seem to work well for heavier wire. One
is a set of linesman style pliers I bought at Wal-Mart many years ago. They
notches in the side that line up when you open the pliers. They will cut
right through a piece of stainless spring wire even.
The other is a Master Mechanic brand fence tool I bought at my dad's
hardware store back when Master Mechanic was still US made. It looks like a
combination between a rock hammer and a pair of pliers.
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