In a recent news coup, Marples admitted to have been using lower quality steel in the production of their chisels. In an apparent attempt to reduce costs after a recent takeover, management bought a large amount of steel in the form of recycled burnishers from a Canadian tool manufacturer.
In a follow-up interview, the Canadian tool manufacturer admitted to having acquired some cheap steel from the Delta Bandsaw division.
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I can't wait to hear about your next order from that Canadian tool manufacturer........:)
Bob S.
In an interview with the president of the Canadian tool manufacturer: "because the bandsaw blade sides were quite good, we thought this side strenghth would make for excellent burnishers. Apparently, our burnisher sides were not hard at all. But we never saw problems with the ends of either the bandsaws or the burnishers, so the steel could be suitable for chisels, an application where the strength on the sides isn't as critical as the strength and cutting ability at the end of the tool."
You're a week late, Greg...
djb
Suddenly everything's clear!=20
A delay no doubt due to closed-door strategy sessions of the board after=20 BAD's shocking expos=E9. At least they decided to 'fess up. Minimize the PR= =20 damage they would otherwise suffer from trying to cover it up. Tylenol=20 showed the way. Now all they have to do is implement the recall.
Appreciate the scoop, Greg.
BAD, I was utterly wrong. Please, accept my apology. I promise not to=20 question your authority again.
Humbly yours,
Jim
all it was was one man's experience, followed by others who had a similar experience. you just can't believe it, that's all. If I had bought a Marples and it performed well, don't you think I would have said so?? I'm certainly known as an occasional Sears basher, but note my comments on the sears chisels. I just call 'em as I see 'em. You don't have to agree with my experience but there's no need for character assassination while discussing the disagreement. That's your problem, Jim; you can't keep from bashing ME, instead of merely offering a differing opinion on the subject at hand...Maybe when you grow up a bit, you'll stop projecting.
dave
Jim Wils> Dave Balderst>
In fairness...though the four chisel set was returned for "bending" I have yet to find the same problem with my 2". Perhaps they came from different batches of steel. I like the handle so will keep using it and know the Depot will take it back.
Condi Rice: Masters from Notre Dame. Protege of Joseph Korbel. Adjunct of the Anti-Christ...traitor to the American People.
since I don't want to get mired in politics, I'll skip commenting on your comments. I do enough arguing around here without adding politics to the mix. dave
Wm J> >
Don't you wish! You just can't, or don't want to, remember what really happened, huh? Google could help, if you seriously wanted to refresh your memory. Don't you remember anyone saying that their experience DID NOT match yours? There were folks with both good AND bad experiences.
I never questioned whether your chisels performed satisfactorily. I believe you when you say they did not. In fact, I assumed in writing that you were accurately relaying your experience. (Go ahead, double check what I wrote.)
But then you claimed Marples "now suck" due to the "softness of the metal they are currently using." That's a whole different thing, and it's an incredible statement. If it were true, it would be big news indeed. So, I asked you to back up your assertion and suggested that if you couldn't, you should avail yourself of the opportunity to graciously retract it. But all you could say was that the "proof was in the pudding." In other words, you couldn't substantiate your claim whatsoever, but you weren't willing to retract it. That's not right, man.
You seem to be having a problem drawing rational conclusions from what you experience. It is not reasonable to conclude what you did about the Marples chisels based on your experience with them, even -- especially -- considering what others have written regarding their experiences. Neither is it sensible to conclude that I want to "prove you wrong," or engage in "assassination" of your character because I called you on a bogus claim. It would be much more sensible to conclude that you made an error. You could *at least* call the manufacturer and ask. Heck, you said you're no expert in metallurgy. Just admit that you don't know why your chisels failed, but they did. There's no shame in that. Stop trying to generalize your experience beyond what it is. You simply don't know more than that.
No, Dave, that's not my problem. My problem is I gave you the benefit of the doubt. I tried too hard to get you to understand something that, for whatever reason, you stubbornly refuse to see.
Hmm. A psychological term. Why don't you print out all the posts between you and me regarding this whole discussion. Show them to a psychologist (a real, expert psychologist), and ask him or her if I'm projecting. While you're at it, ask them if you are. Ok?
Cheers!
Jim
P.S. I sincerely (no joking) apologize to you, Bay Area Dave, for the trouble I've caused you in this discussion. I'll stop.
trouble?? I thought we were just having an argument of sorts.
I've been certified competent to stand trial.
Now, on to the MAIN topic, the Marples chisels, which have received some thumbs up, and some thumbs down from the good folks here. I don't really need to prove that EVERY chisel made in the last 5 years is substandard for me to determine that they aren't up to my standards. Since none of the Sears chisels have suffered a crumpled edge, I feel confident I've made the right choice, which is all I care about. I don't really give a flying patootie if you like Marples. I don't care if you polish yours up and take them to bed with you. All I care about is having serviceable tools that are comfortable, durable and right for the tasks at hand. In that vein, I have complained about a soft burnisher, and a Delta Band Saw. also I wasn't too happy about the loose fence on the PC 557.
I don't need a metallurgy degree to know which brands to avoid in the future. There's no need to get so wrapped up in the minutiae of the problem; all's necessary is a general like or dislike of a tool. I'm footing the bill for my tools; I'm using MY tools; you aren't. I'll condemn what I find is substandard. I won't make the mistake of purchasing the same brand. that would be counterproductive.
can we NOW lay this to rest? I know how difficult it is for anyone involved in an online disagreement to miss out on having the last word, so be advised, here and now, that no matter what you respond with, I'm not entertaining any further questions, nor will I comment on your comments. Not to be rude. just to put this to rest. YOU GET THE LAST WORD!
Here is a quote from you: "In other words, you couldn't substantiate your claim whatsoever, but you weren't willing to retract it. That's not right, man."
Tell me how that squares with the later statement that you aren't trying to prove me wrong, when you wrote, "Neither is it sensible to conclude that I want to "prove you wrong,"
When we meet in a new thread, can we start off fresh?
Remember, I'm not responding, so just have your say.
dave
Jim Wils> Bay Area Dave wrote...
Get a set of LN chisels. You'll quickly forget how bad the Marples were.
RB
Bay Area Dave wrote:
Jim, this person is an egomaniac with such an inferiority complex that he can't hold a reasonable discussion in disagreement with anyone. After more than two years of giving him the benefit of the doubt, I've washed my hands of him. Even though he's the _only_ person in my killfile list, since I added his name, the number of insultingly argumentative posts in the newsgroup has dropped by at least 90 percent. While there are still, and always will be, disagreements between posters on various topics, none of those disagreements between the reasonable people on this newsgroup ever degenerate into the vitriolic name calling that is BAD's hallmark.
It's a free usenet and you're certainly free to engage in any thread you choose to. But having read many of your posts, I'm fairly convinced you have a lot more to offer others in the newsgroup who will extend you the courtesy, (whether they agree with you or not), that you deserve.
Someone said it takes an entire village to raise a kid. I guess it's not unreasonable then that it takes an entire newsgroup to kill an asshole.
Best, Michael
Jim Wilson ends his response with:
You have your period in the wrong place, don't you? And drop the question mark.
But Dave will continue to reason from the specific to the general without additional input, or so I think.
Charlie Self "A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine." Thomas Jefferson
Thanks Dave, I needed a good laugh this morning.
no problem. Jim hasn't availed himself of my offer...
dave
Rick Chamberla> >
(G) That was an accident!
Jim
Kindly put, thank you. I have to take the blame, of course, for allowing it to slip as far as it did, and for, perhaps, tweaking his nose a bit in a moment or two of weakness. But then, I'm weak a lot. (G)
Your suggestion, by the way, was taken before it was given.
Cheers!
Jim
Wow - guess your ir> > > >
could you be ANY more irritating?
dave
Rick Chamberla> >
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