log harvesting from lake bottoms

Yes... lots of it. Ax men shows it happening and there are plenty of other operations going on.

There are TV shows and large businesses doing that every day.

What lake ? Superior YES.

Swamps in the south - YES. Any lake that had barges and trains of barges have logs all over. They are getting fewer but there are plenty.

Mart>

Shelby Stanga - swamp logger

Turns out wood is almost indestructible when "waterlogged". Venice and parts of Naw'lins are built upon whole logs driven into the wet/submerged earth, then built upon. From what I understand, once logs are in place, they will last almost indefinitely. It's the logs that are exposed to air that rot. Look at rotting pilings of old piers. They always rot away right down near the water line.

nb

only there thought other lakes would have them too either natural or by man

did not know they got them from swamps

wonder if there are any in the ocean

long way for that guy to go for one log

suprising the swamp stuff is any good would think it would rot quick and be full of bugs

Why would you think that?

Because he's not knowledgeable. Swamp water tends to be low in oxygen, so it preserves boi-matter, rather than promote its decay.

Also, re: logs in the ocean: There are relative examples, i.e., sunken sh ips for one. Off shore of Alabama, in the Gulf, there's remnants of an an cient forest of bald cypress. I think the logs/area is protected against salvagers.

San Francisco plantation, Garyville, La., today the site of Marathon oil re finery: During the expansion of the refinery, some years ago, huge old 15'

• tall cypress stumps were discovered. Silt had covered the stumps, since the trees had been cut, back in the 1800s. The San Francisco Plantation f olks recovered one stump, as historical record of what once had been part o f the plantation property. The stump/log is on display on the remaining p lantation site. All the other stumps, that were discovered, were reburied off/away from the immediate construction site. I suppose it was too expe nsive the salvage the logs and, also, Marathon didn't allow "outsiders" to enter the construction site, that way. *This info is from my nephew, who was the head Super, for James Construction doing the construction upgrading . I, personally, never went to see the salvaged log or other logs, though I've wanted to.

Sonny

so it preserves boi-matter, rather than promote its decay.

ships for one. Off shore of Alabama, in the Gulf, there's remnants of an ancient forest of bald cypress. I think the logs/area is protected agains t salvagers.

refinery: During the expansion of the refinery, some years ago, huge old 1

OK, color me confused...

"All the other stumps, that were discovered, were reburied off/away from the immediate construction site. I suppose it was too expensive the salvage the logs..."

Weren't they basically "salvaged" so that they could be moved? Instead of moving them and reburying them, one would think they could have put them on a logging truck and taken them off-site for sale. There must have been a cost to move/rebury them, so some of the "salvage cost" was spent anyway.

I know that there are lots of other factors that I haven't even considered, but it just seems a shame to let all that wood go to waste.

From what I understood, the logs/stumps were huge. The one salvaged log, salvaged by San Francisco Plantation, barely fit onto a flatbed semi and co st 100K+ to salvage. James Construction didn't have a big enough dozer, o n site, to move the log/stump units. Extra ordinary efforts were used to extract and move the remaining log/stumps. It wasn't just logs, alone, bu t the whole rootball/log unit to be dealt with.

I'll ask my nephew, further, for more specific info.

Sonny

he is putting holes in those future logs those will fetch a premium later

looks like he is having fun

One rumor for years has been that one of the secrets to the sound of a Stradivarius violin, and other Cremona instruments of the period, is that the wood was submerged for months, if not years, due to the water transport and ponding of logs during that time.

Although a spectroscopy study done a few years ago did not prove that was the case, it also did not disprove it, and some of the chemicals found, that are not found in wood, during analysis of the wood could have been done by "aqueous" treatments.

So, it could be pixie dust? ;)

....or merely the finish on those violins. One "stradi" freak explored only varnishes/finishes, fer yrs/decades, trying to find the "secret".

nb

Damned Water Termites.

I attribute it to hyperbolec acid, the main ingredient in many rare, overpriced, works of art....

LOL

Visual art I agree, but the sound, and playability, of a particular instrument is an apples to oranges comparison to visual art.

Recorded a Cremona (Amati) cello many times during a 25 year period.

While I can attest that much of the sound of any instrument can come from the hands/touch of the player, this particular cello was owned by two different individuals, played by at least four on dozens of recordings during that time, both in my studio, and others.

Having been asked asked on numerous occasions, have never failed to identify that particular instrument on a recording.

That is the "acid" that brings the big bucks in that type of "art" ...

Varnishes of that period were oil/resin based; and the adjective "aqueous" was purposely used, both in my reply to stay on topic, and in the study to differentiate that fact.

I was using the term thusly:

a : of, relating to, or resembling water

I could be wrong, but seems to me, the last time I brushed on some varnish, it performed exactly like a substance "resembling water", i.e. a thin liquid. ;)

nb