I am starting on a major kitchen cabinet project for our old, stone
house and we want to have all the modern conveniences but want it to
look traditional, country-style. One of the looks we are seriously
considering includes a furniture-type base board on the cabinets without
I know the idea of a toe-kick is to improve the comfort for those
working in the kitchen, especially the lower back but I'm not really
convinced one way or the other.
Any comments or suggestions are appreciated. Any references would be
helpful as well. Thanks in advance.
Easy to decide. Go stand at the kitchen sink for a few minutes. Rinse some
dishes, wipe out the sink, then look where your eet are. If you are
standing close and your feet are under the lip, it shows you need a toe
kick. Without it, you end up with back problems.
You could try laying a 2 x 4 on the floor to block the openings of hte toe
kick. See how many times you kick it when trying to reak for something in
the upper cabinet. See how much you strain your back because you are
standing out a few more inches.
If looks are more important than your health, go for the looks. If you
value you lower back, go for the toe kick.
What Ed said. You don't cook, do you, Glen? I know Ed does; I've seen his
posts before in some of the cooking groups.
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What I like to do is use a furniture base, with an arched cutout to
provide a toe space. This gives the look of the furniture base, while
maintaining the functionality of the toe kick.
Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker (ret)
Real Email is: tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet
Along the same lines, I'm currently working with an English
(UKer) arch-ee-tekt and his "scheme" is to have some more
traditional looking casework fronts in the kitchen, larder
(pantry Tom) and butler's pantry. To achieve this we're
making face frame fronts and applying them to our "normal"
Euro constructed cabinets. The stiles on the face frames
run to the floor and are filled in to give a very solid
Also, on the kitchen island we're setting the toe boards
back 8"-12" to give the appearance of freestanding units.
Also, it doesn't hurt to have the cabinets at different
depths with the work tops following suit (suite Luigi). It
give the appearance of furniture collected together and used
for the kitchen cabinets.
Either. The Shaker style as I see it is predominately flat panel inset
doors and drawer fronts. No elaborate moldings or ornamentation. I would
say, given the limitations of modern kitchen design, that an Arts-and-Crafts
style would be somewhat similar.
I think I've solved my problem anyway. The intent will be to make the
island in the center of the kitchen look like a large piece of furniture,
and not a block of modular cabinets.
On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 12:56:38 -0500, "Jon Endres, PE"
Most of the islands that I've done have an overhang on the side that
is most easily viewed. Something that goes well with Shakerish
elements is a small base with a small bead and quirk, or possibly a
chamfer, or stopped chamfer.
If there is a stovetop on the side that faces the sink, I run the base
over a kickspace and usually cut it out to within about an inch of the
bead and quirk/chamfer, with a curved cut on either end of the
Even if there is no overhang on the sides, I usually run base there,
unless there is a sink or some such, in which case I do the same as I
would at the stovetop.
Thomas J. Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
(Real Email is tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet)
I'm going to make the island look like a large chest of drawers with a
granite top and four feet. The island will have a small sink in it, so
there will be a "chase" of sorts in the center to run the piping. From any
angle other than at floor level (where the cat is) you won't be able to tell
it's not sitting only on four feet.
You can also over extend the drawers. There is nothing cast in stone here
save maybe tradition.
You could design the top drawer wedge shaped and pivot out to clear the
overhang, exercise imagination and see where it goes. Lets have a real, std
rule, brainstorming to revolutionize the base cabinet industry. <s>
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