On Wed, 2 Jun 2010 23:24:05 -0400, "John Grossbohlin"
Disston and Atkins will do nicely, but my ryoba from Japan Woodworker
gets most of my time nowadays.
It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor
the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change.
-- Charles Darwin
From what I understand from the Woodcraft guys, if the new Unisaw is setting
next to a SawStop TS the SawStop sells. My local Woodcraft has not yet sold
it's first new Unisaw since it got the saw last year.
The first thought I had when I saw the old Unisaw had been discontinued in favor
of this new
one: If you're going to compete in the SawStop's pricing territory, you'd
better have a
_much_ better product or you're going to have a dud on your hands. If this new
belly-up and gets discontinued, that leaves Delta without any high-end offering
Reintroduce the "Unisaw Classic" with a riving knife and a competitive price and
they sell like hot cakes.
"Our beer goes through thousands of quality Czechs every day."
(From a Shiner Bock billboard I saw in Austin some years ago)
An Asute observation.
I used to work in marketing research. One big problems that a lot of biz
folks had is that they only saw competition as with themselves. The rest of
the world did not matter. They only competed with themselves. For some
folks, that worked. Like the HP printers. They obsoleted their own products.
So it worked for them.
Like you pointed out, Sawstop is a game changer in its price/features range.
Either Delta has to take them on directly or go to another catagory of the
tablesaw market. They need to directly address the competition out there in
the world. NOT compete with one of their own OLD products. A lot of folks
don't get that comcept. A lot of businesses die because of this.
There also is an obsession with the top end of the market. Many companies
want a high end product for prestige and a bigger markup/profit. What they
don't get, apparently, is that even on the top end, THERE IS COMPETITION!
And if you are late to that market, you are fighting an uphill battle. You
better have something that people want. You better have some way that you
can distinguish your product from the others. Or you have just another late
to market, forgettable product.
Yep, There are the cheap knock offs. And there is the high end product. But
not a lot between.
And there is a BIG market out there for a good middle of the road product
and tools. Both in terms of serious amatuers and small business folks.. It
is a big market that is often not served well by many manufacturers.
I think that the reason that Grizzly has doine so well is that they have a
wide range of products in each catagory. Everything from cheapo hobbyist
models to big industrial models. And everything in between. You can choose
the exact level of price/performance/features you need.
Which is why a lot of businesses buy Grizzly. They represent a good value.
And it is very easy to buy them too. No shiny shoed salesman or pushy
distributors. And often, no local taxes.
More than a few times they mentioned that for pretty much the same price the
SawStop offers a finger saver and at the very least the same quality.
Additionally SawStop is getting ready to come out with its 3rd cabinet saw,
runs on 110 volt.
Other features the same, quality the same, plus the added safety feature.
Yep, that would swing things toward SawStop pretty quickly.
Sometimes companies get to a point where they are running on their
reputation. It works for a while, sometimes longer, sometimes shorter, but
in the end, the company loses its place. Too bad, Unisaw and Delta were the
gold standard; sounds like the downward spiral is tightening.
There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage
I think the $$$$ is the show stopper.
Nice features, but is it worth the extra $1500 over the
older Unisaw ?
$3,000 is a real chunk for the average homeowner.
I have a 1966 12/14" Delta and a 1973 Unisaw that I need
I'm good for the duration.
marc rosen wrote:
If the average home owner is going to spend that kind of money, then
they might consider a Laguna scoring tablesaw for as little as $795
more. Should be sufficient to give bragging rights in front of all the
other homeowners on the street.
Let me guess. All your Festool toys are gathered around your Laguna
Speaking about Laguna, I had a good look through their web site.
Really liked their push button operated panel saw that cuts to .005
Must run and buy my lottery ticket.
Laguna products can be as addicting as Festool. About 4 years ago I decided
to up grade my BS and went with a Rikon 18"er. I took it back as it was
marginally better than what I had when considering features I was looking
for. I looked into Laguna and sent of for their demo CD and that was that.
They have/had a demo CD/DVD that goes really well with a bowl of pop corn.
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