Do you see much SYP in Florida? I was reading about a majority of
homes built years ago in southern Louisiana that don't have a big issue
with termites, apparently they are not interested in SYP. SPF was an
entirely different story however. I was wondering if Florida may have
witnessed the same.
It's not much used for home building now, because of the
hurricane code and other reasons. Almost everything is
block now. With SPF for interior framing and roof trusses
and stuff like that.
There was a time when it was the norm. The old growth pine,
especially the varietal called Dade County Pine, was too
hard for termites to eat (or carpenters to drive nails into,
in some cases), and resisted rot, too. Modern development
has pretty much eliminated those old houses in south Fla,
but they're still to be found upstate.
Sounds just like my first 1929-built two-bedroom frame house [for Leon
and Swing - a few blocks inside the North Loop on West 25th just a couple of
houses off North Shepherd]; almost always had to pre-drill the existing 1X6
pine trim. I remember the wood as being old growth loblolly pine, dense
account high in tar content and most often fractionally thicker than 3/4
inch. And the whole structure was [3-5/8 X 1-5/8] two-bys including the
rafters though generously braced. I ripped many 1/8 inch strips when I
started closing up a doorway in one location and reframing in another. Not
a header in the house either. 1X10 shiplap interior walls still had
cloth-backed wallpaper under the 1/4 inch drywall and 117 exterior siding
without sheathing or felt. Door and window openings were hand hewn when it
was necessary to size into a full width piece of 1X10 or the 117. Floors
were pine, too, with no subflooring [jeez, did leak cold air!].
The carpenters that built that place had a trick for dealing with a
bowed and twisted two by. When I started opening up walls I found several
studs that appeared to have been sliced into lengthwise [with a coping saw
of some sort?] in order to twist the stud into proper placement on the sole
and top plates.
Dave in Houston
Sounds like my house I owned just North of 20th on Columbia; and the one
which I recently did some remodeling on Oxford, just around the corner
from that one.
Good thing is that Grogan Lumber on Yale still has much of that old trim
(shoe, base, crown, door) still in stock ... saved my butt on many
All the new trim on this added BR closet matched perfectly with the
existing from the 30's, from their still in stock trim:
Love it when you can do that ...
There, see, already undersized lumber. A trend that goes
way back :-)
(I recall helping tear down an old wall up in N Fla, which
had actual 2x4 two-bys. Altho I suspect they had been locally
sawn, rather than coming from a commercial mill).
Boatbuilders have a word for that, which is escaping me now.
Of course, in their case they're trying to get a piece of
lumber to twist, not to correct it.
I've used SYP for ice rink boards, they seem to last about as long as PT,
maybe a little less but are much cheaper.
A good bunch of the PT around here is SYP.
It makes good tops on the lathe, but I haven't found any wood that's
unsuitable for that yet. (I've found unsuitable trees and some are better
than others, but pretty much any wood seems to work... Even plywood.)
Hunted an East Texas lease for 12 or 13 years or so back in the 70s and
80s on lumber/paper company acreage, the lease un by a local whose entire
working career was with Kirby Lumber. It was second growth having been
logged in the early 1900s when the trees were moved from their location on
"These trees have been developed for fast growth and to hold paint,"
Louie once told me. Growth cycle from planting to harvest being 30 years,
give or take,
Dave in Houston
On Friday, July 22, 2016 at 2:00:14 PM UTC-5, whit3rd wrote:
I think Monticello's construction is of longleaf pine, specifically for the
exposed interior applications, and it's certainly not the same as today's
fast-growing pine lumbers.
Though most southern pines are lumped into the SYP category, the premium ol
d lumber was/is the longleaf pine, specifically the heart wood. Grows muc
h slower than other species of pine, hence there are very few LLP trees sti
ll around. Very tight grained lumber. Almost all new construction, with
LLP, is salvaged lumber, and used for flooring, exposed beams and other exp
osed decor type applications. No one, in their right mind, would use this
premium old lumber for rough framing and the like.
From what I understand, for lots of long ago construction in the SE, the ol
d growth LLP was the lumber of choice for exposed interior applications and
old growth cypress was used for exterior siding and trim.... the red cypre
ss specifically for doors & window sashes, framing & trim.
Though I've never tried to verify, I'd like to think the 16 salvaged 1X12X2
1' boards, I have, is longleaf pine. Someday, I'll figure out what projec
t(s) to make with them.
I worked in the Southern Pacific Building on Franklin at Travis in the
north end of downtown Houston. The building was completed in 1912 and all
the windows for all nine floors were double-hung cypress. In the late 70s
or early 80 the company replaced them one and all with bronzed double-glazed
aluminum. Tried my damndest to get my hands on a dozen or so of those
thinking they'd make a bodacious greenhouse.
To no avail; company policy did not allow employees to acquire company
Dave in SoTex
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