My trusty 1993 vintage Makita quarter-sheet finishing
sander appears to have died. I would buy the same again
but paper changing is kind of tedious and according to
one review the current updated model (BO 4552) is even
The Bosch 1297DK looks promising as far as paper changes
are concerned and the price is about the same as the
Is anyone here using the Bosch or have any other
recommendations (in the same $50 price range)?
Anything but B&D!
| Malcolm Hoar "The more I practice, the luckier I get". |
On Nov 6, 12:27 am, firstname.lastname@example.org (Malcolm Hoar) wrote:
I have that Bosch and the paper changing is inded a snap. The dust
collection is superb when you use the adaptor, (and that is the only
reason I did not buy the PC SpeedBloc.) You have to buy the adaptor.
The punch die they give you for making the holes in the paper is
useless, so I make up a batch from a pack of paper using a proper hole
punch and a hammer.
For a quick job, using the supplied dust filter is adequate and easily
I think I paid $ 49.00 at Lowe's in Port Huron MI for it.
I like it MUCH better than any of the half dozen Makitas I have worn
out over the years.
Gentlemen, perhaps we can observe a minute of silence
out of respect for my old Makita and the years of
service (and abuse) it provided without complaint.
Then I'll head off to Lowes to get the Bosch ;-)
Agreed on the Velcro-style paper. However price and
availability are an issue and it doesn't work too
well if you don't have any (or don't have the right
grit for the job).
| Malcolm Hoar "The more I practice, the luckier I get". |
A thing about paper changing. If your sander does not enable you to change
paper in 5 or 6 seconds you need a better sander/method of attaching paper.
If you are using a paper that clamps on chances are you are sanding
inefficiently. Years ago in automotive trades the PSA and Velcro Style
papers were increasing production in the shops because of the efficiency of
the sanding. These type papers always attach correctly and make the most of
your sander. Clamp on papers simply have more wiggle and tend to loosen
causing the sander pad to vibrate behind the paper as the paper simply
sticks to the surface you are trying to sand. A good part of the sander
motion/energy is wasted. With the direct connection of the papers to the
sander using PSA or Velcro, the sander motion is close to 100% efficient.
With that in mind, just about any sander that utilizes the PSA or Velcro
style attachment paper will probably be better than a sander that uses
clamps to hold the paper. I personally have used the PC SpeedBloc, the one
that is bell shaped, since 1989. It too pooped out about 2 years ago and I
replaced it with the same. It will clamp paper as the design of this
sander has been around for a very long time relatively speaking but it also
uses PSA paper.
If you are looking for a design that will last and is comfortable to use for
long periods of time the PC SpeedBloc works well. If I replace this sander
in the future I'll probably go with a Festool because of the superior dust
PSA can be bothersome when the paper gets overheated and leaves glue
and stuff on the sander's pad.
Hook & Loop (Velcro) is, for me, THE way to go.
Finding that in sheets can be a PITA and then, to convert the Bosch to
a hookey pad wouldn't be a big deal if one could find a pad. I don't
use it enough to bother.
I mentioned that I paid 50 bucks for the Bosch and for that little
money, the dust collection with the vacuum adaptor (mind you, hooked
up to a Fein Turbo II) is every bit as good as anything Festool could
devise....and you know I am a avid Festool user. I just don't sand
inside corners that often. I always sand before assembly.
Oddly, I have absolutely no problems with PC PSA paper and 3M PSA paper. I
absolutely hate and have 100% problems with Klingspor PSA paper. Had I used
Klingspor PSA paper the first time 19 years ago I would have never used PSA
paper again. Fortunately I had been using PC and 3M PSA paper for the first
Again, oddly, I tend to melt the Hook and Loop style pads if I am not
I was working on a project this week when my trusty, old black and decker
gave up the ghost. This was a good sander that lasted over thiry years of
use. It was of a generation when B&D actually made good tools. It was a
half sheet sander. I went out to try and replace it.
No can do. Apparently half sheet sanders have gone the way of the dodo bird.
There are plenty of quarter sheet sanders. But almost no half sheet sanders.
Creaftsman has a half sheet and a third sheet sander in their lineup. I
couldn't find anything else.
I talked to an old tool guy at one shop and he said that the tool companies
got tired of selling products that they couldn't sell consumables for them.
They make more money off the velcro sanding disks than they ever would off
the tool itself.
Somebody at Lowes said that they got so tired of the esculating sanding
discs cost that they went out and found an independent supplier. They
weren't going to sell the brand name sander consumables any more. Can we
say corporate greed?
I haven't replaced the sander yet. I have a Bosch rotary disc sander. I
bought some more sandpaper for it. I still miss the half sheet sander. For
certain projects, they worked just fine.
Like I told my wife when I got home. I went out to buy a sander and found
out that the world changed the rules around without consulting me, AGAIN!!
Porter Cable still makes a half sheet sander.
However, if it does not use PSA or Hoof and Loop paper I would say that this
may very well keep up or work faster and like the 1/2 sheet sander it will
sand into square corners. This one will raise a cloud of dust quickly.
While PSA paper appears more expensive than regular sheet paper it typically
runs about $12 for a common PC 30' x 4.5" roll and that roll yields about 80
paper changes. So that runs you about 15 cents per paper change.
Is your premium paper costing you less than 60 cents a sheet?
Something to consider.
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