Hypothetically speaking if you already had an acceptable building
within which to house your new woodworking venture (not to mention the
hypothetical $50k) and were ready to go whole-hog for new equipment,
what would you do? I don't mean which acutal machines/tools you would
get, but where you would get them and how would you negotiate for
them? I'm wondering if you can get substantial discounts if say you
were going to buy BS, TS, RAS, DP, Shaper, Planer, Jointer from one
manufacturer. Who would you call? Any info on what types of discount
off retail you could expect? Is there a listing of existing shops
that may be failing that you could purchase all of their tools from?
Aside from Jet/Delta and Powermatic, who would you look to?
Ditto for handheld power tools.
What about other hand tools - ie. bits, blades, clamps, hand tools
etc...? If you called Lee Valley and said I need $5,000 worth of
stuff would they be willing to offer a better pricing structure?
I'm just sort of brainstorming here.... Any good books on the
subject of starting a new commercial shop?
What if there were no hypothetical questions?
Classified ads sometimes have cabinet shops for sale or the the contents
of cabinet shops for sale. Auctions of cabinet shops and the like are
listed there too.
Auctions can sometimes be a bargain for three phase stuff. The single
phase stuff often gets bid up by hobbyists.
I wouldn't limit myself to a single brand by trying to make a deal with a
manufacturer (besides, your order wouldn't be that big to a manufacturer),
but instead, I'd find a distributor who sold all/most of the brands I wanted
and negotiate the deal there. After all, many of them already give a
discount on 2 or 3 machines and $50,000 would be a good size order to most
distributors plus they would stand to get your hand tool and bits/blades
business as well. I think the best strategy would be to identify and
qualify 3 distributors within your delivery area, specify what you want
(brands/models) where you know, have them quote on the package and tell them
that you also want them to put in the quotation whatever they are willing to
do to support you that would differentiate them from their competitors (who
knows what you'll get...loaners when something needs service, extended
warranties, discount rate that extends to all future purchases, net 60
terms, or ?????).
General (www.general.ca). Solid, well-made machines that are beyond my budget
(but sure wouldn't be, if I had 50K to spend).
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss
Start with what type of work you want to produce from there make your list
as to what you want for equipment and what kind of cutting tools etc.
Work with an Industrial Distributor on the machinery,
A source that sell carbide, saw blades router bits shaper bits and so forth
Then a source for power tools
I usually get any distributor to cut me a deal when I want 3 or 4 routers at
Carbide the same way
Hand tools the same way,
When I buy clamps I would buy 30 or 40 at a time and you should see the
Along the way look for special sales, Shops selling equipment for one
reason or another.
Certain machines I would buy used but never my main table saw unless it was
a real steal.
By the way if you were opening a new commercial shop and had 50, 000 cah on
hand it would not be wise to spend it on your Machinery, tools and
accessories yes, but the main machinery should be financed either by a bank
loan or leasing,
Save the cash for working capitol which is an indispensable tool in itself.
I'd investigate getting a high-efficiency flywheel and see about setting up
a shop with lots of tools whose motive power comes from belts.
I'd look at being able to spin up the flywheel with a Dodge pickup.
Of course, the shop of my dreams is in an area several tens of miles from
reliable 365x24 power... <g>
Now that's funny. One of my fall asleep fantasies is a completely
isolated timberframe shop/home in the middle of nowhere rural Russia
surrounded by nothing but snow and old growth timber. I envision a
river nearby that could be outfitted with a water wheel for power
generation (electric though) and perhaps some type of windmill as
well. It gets quite detailed, and is really entertaining. Then for
one week a year I'd come in from the woods to attended a massively
popular Sotheby's auction and watch the bidding on my work soar well
into the stratosphere.
Ya gotta dream......
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 02:23:24 GMT, B a r r y B u r k e J r .
Oh believe me - there are several Eastern European apprenticettes on
hand back at the shop.....although now that you mention it, groupies
would be a welcome addition as well!
"The Naked Woodworker"
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