Advice, please. I work in a windowless basement room served by a
squirrel fan and a Fein shop vac. I only use one tool at a time, but the
dust is getting to me to the point where I have to break down and do
something. Recommendations. My budget is about $300. TIA
This one gets good reviews for the money, and isn't typical HF junk.
"Delta 50-850 115 Volt, 1-1/2 Horsepower, 1200 CFM Dust Collector", is the
one I have, only with an upgraded bag. $280 ish at various Delta dealers.
Jet has a similar machine.
Google chip seperator in the wReck archive, as well.
Thanks, Patriarch, you confirmed what I was thinking remembering the
thread on the HF machine, despite Horrible Freight's reputation. But
Toller has weakened my resolve. While a jointer and planer are on the
top of my (sexy) wish list, right now it's the contractor ts and router
table that are playing havoc with my sinuses. Thanks to you both for
your input. (I think contractor table saws must be designed for outdoor
My router table is nearly dust free with the DC, but I don't bother using it
on my table saw because unless you seal up nearly every opening, you just
don't get enough suction to matter. I got a canvas bag that attaches with
snaps from HF for $3 ; it catches about half the stuff, but obviously does
nothing for the dust thrown forward. I think you need an overhead collector
Thats true, but the bag gets 90% of the underside dust and it is alot
quieter. I expect I lose more through the various holes than you do, but
most of it goes straight down into the bag.
My experience is the opposite!
I have the HF dust collector and made a hopper for the bottom of my Delta CS
and it gets all the dust off the bottom, and some from the top, none of the
cabinet is sealed. If I added an over arm guard my bet is it could collect
Check out this website on converting a Harbor Freight dust collector
to a cartridge system. I have done the conversion and it works really
well. I sealed as best I could my table saw and it works well. I also
have use it with my thickness planer and orbital sander. I'm only an
occassional woodworker but I think the system certainly would work well
for a small production shop. I also use a ceiling mounted air filtration
system made from a salvaged furnace blower. It also seems to do the job.
I just checked the Wynn Environmental filter home page. Because of
demand for upgrading dust collectors they have a new series of filters
that lead to an easier upgrade. I with that I had not already upgraded
because I'm using the taller filter and I have a difficult time moving
it in my low ceilinged basement (with hanging heat ducts). The new
filter goes on with no modifications to the dc unit and the filters are
considerably shorter (only about 23 inches). Now you have choices.
Jim's commenary is right on the money. The HF machine has a 30 micron bag
which, in dust terms, makes those particulates the size of a cat and it does
little for the one mic stuff, which is what is eating your sinuses and your
lungs. You have a multitude of approaches to take here. You could box off
the underside of the TS and attach a toilet flange at which you attach your
DC. The MS is a bear to control but with a catch box attached to your DC it
will be far better than a bare-knuckles saw. Now, another avenue is to use
an air cleaner to clean up the air. You say that you have a squrrel cage
fan so you could build a filtration table to cycle the air thru some smaller
micron sized filters available at HD and Lowes (3-M brand) and back into the
workspace. Here's a link to Woodcraft.com for a downdraft sanding table but
you could simply implement this with your MS collection system, jsut leaving
it on to draw air in and filter it.
http://www.woodcraft.com/articles.aspx?articleidC8 The others that I've
seen are much larger designs so do a search for another if you like. I was
going to hook you up with a link but I've lost it - time to clean up my
Links and Favorites. Good luck!
I bought the HF unit for $159. from their web special at the store. I
didn't hook it up until the cartridge arrived from wynn about a week
later. It's got plenty of suction, more than I expected, reasonably
quite, although not enough to leave on ALL the time. The motor pulls a
steady 8-9 amps according to a meter I own.
I'm happy with it, I bang on my filter to knock the dust out once in a
while when walking by.
I would not compare Grizzly's 2HP collector to HF 2HP collector. HF is
wishing at best on their HP rating, it is really 1.5 HP so compare it to
this one, http://www.grizzly.com/products/item.cfm?itemnumber=G1028Z . When
I bought my collector I considered this one but figured they were so similar
that the HF unit won out for 1/2 the price. Don't knock the HF unit until
you get to look one over. It is above HF's usual quality.
I was faced with a similar problem late last year. I got the 1 1/2 hp
Woodtek system from Woodworkers Supply and have been very happy with
it. They now provide 1 micron bags as part of the original purchase.
I don't believe anyone who says they catch 100% of the dust, but I'm
definitely catching at least 90% on all tools and my coughing and
asthma symptoms have stopped. I also got the small build-it-yourself
air cleaner from Penn State ($115) -- the proof here is on the filter.
You'll need to build or buy appropriate hoods for each machine. I
sealed the bottom of my contractor's tablesaw with plywood and an
integrated dust hood. Built hoods from plywood or masonite for my
chop saw, planer, router, bandsaw and drill press. Will be making a
downdraft table body soon (haven't been doing much sanding the past
few months, but the time rapidly approaches).
With time, I obtained metal ducting cheap and added gates for each
machine (these can also be built easily). The tablesaw, planer,
jointer and bandsaw are on mobil bases and all share one duct
Be sure you have adequate wiring for your needs.
I have a friend with a similar situation. He made his workshop downstairs
in a corner of the basement. Once he finished the basement the workshop
become fully enclosed with no ventilation.
When he purchased a dust collector for the tools, he installed the DC in the
garage, and ducted fromt the basement to the garage. He also installed a
blast gate in the ceiling. He found that opening the ceiling gate removed
most of the dust. For his setup has been very effective.
For your $300 max budget you should be able to find a decent unit from e.g.,
Grizzly or Penn State Industries. Look for the maximum flow at the rated
head. Some units have greater flow at no head, but less flow than others at
maximum head. The need to install ductwork means we always run the DC at
some head, which increases as dust gathers on the bags.
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