While, I know aspen is not a common wood for everyone the latest
reports on stands of aspens dying should be troubling to us all that
The scientists are not sure what's causing the stands to die off, but
are also not sure if this is a one time thing or not. Let's hope it's a
one time thing!
We are losing oaks here in the Pacific West, another variety of wood
is very disturbing.
We too have trees dying, although the cause is known. Gypsy moth
caterpillars. A healthy tree can handle 2-3 years of defoliation, but
after that it'll die. We're now in year three and sure 'nuff, trees
What I've read, that's primarily owing to a new borer--I forget now how
it got here.
And in TN/VA and up the Appalachian, as somebody else noted, there's
the gypsy moth that's the prime problem for the oaks.
Up in the higher elevations of the Smokey Mtn's, the Fraser firs are
being decimated from the balsam woolly aphid.
All of the above are imported pests from various sources as if there
weren't enough native. :(
Perhaps it could be in part be due to warming - at least in the future,
that could certainly play a role in these types of insect infestations.
As I recall, the insect and small bug populations are the quickest
inhabitants to adapt or die off due to changing environmental shifts.
How many fractions of a degree of warming on a mountainside allows the
lower elevation bugs to climb higher for more food supply? How many
fractions of a degree brings more or less moisture which perhaps
supports larger survival rates for these bugs?
Tsk, tsk. A tad touchy, eh Tom?
So you, too, heard Bush was offering these bugs guest status and having
secret meetings with their bug queen, instructing them to infest our
forests! Ooooo, maybe he's double-crossing them and has developed a back
room "Apollo" project which has discovered a way to wean the US off our
"addiction" to foreign oil by fattening these bugs... invented engines
powered by renewable bug juice. Gotta love an inquisitive man of science!
Your loving liberal kook,
How does warming relate to the importation of exotic pests, pray tell?
Most of the large-scale loss of trees going back to the American
Chestnut and American Elm as well as the above listed present-day
occurrences are primarily the result of the arrival of hitherfore
unknown pests or diseases for which there were/are no native controls
or resistance. My hypothesis is that a similar situation will be
Warming can allow _migration_ of pests. That's already happening in some parts
of the world. Not just pests, of course, but all manner of critters. Also,
some imported pests will survive in a warmer clime today compared to a cooler
Absent relevant facts, an equally plausible hypothesis.
Yes, but then the converse is also true. My reading is that such is
typically a much less prevelant mode of introduction of an exotic
species from (say) the Orient to NA than them hitching a ride on
products being imported or simply brought in as an experiment (either
initially controlled and accidentally released or actually introduced)
or by individual travelers.
Yep, plus I had intended to note that the Rockies (particularly the
more southern ranges) have been under drought conditions for several
years so it is quite possible it is simply a result of that and when
we/they get a few years of near or above normal snowpack the "problem"
will fix itself.
I seem to recall that one of the theorized outcomes for warming will be
a wetter northwest N. America and a drier southwest. If warming is truly
occurring then a few wetter years may relieve the problem temporarily,
only to resume when dry years follow.
BTW, the dryness of the southwest has been going on for upwards of 10
years. Lake Powell is practically a pond compared to a decade ago.
On 19 Sep 2006 08:16:36 -0700, email@example.com wrote:
I witnessed something similar in Arizona maybe 15 years ago. I
thought I was being too observant but there were a *lot* of dead
I know it won't apply to anyone in here but if the lard assed yanks
used their legs (things on the bottom of the torso for those that have
forgotten) rather than a 4 ton SUV and wore less clothing at home/in
the office rather than turning up the aircon then maybe, just maybe
the trees might start growing again. As it is, and with the blinkered
"lets have carbon trading as its never uncle sams fault" the whole
planet is royally f*cked.
It's probably way too late as when you already have evidence of
massive releases of methane from formerly permafrosted ancient
marshland in Siberia, followed by a similar state of affairs when
tropical rainforests leaf litter decomposition overtakes the ability
of large trees to use it. Meltwater from Greenland and Antarctica will
rapidly raise sea levels making Katrina seem like a storm in a teacup
the lost ice sheets will alter the albedo of the earth's surface and
make it even hotter. Crops will massively fail worldwide for years on
end, wars will be fought over water and the human race could die out
faster than the dinosaurs.
Honk, honk, keep on driving and have a nice day :)
I cannot believe no one has thought to suggest that this tree calamity may
be the result of a new human to tree STD.
Seriously, think about it. Never before have there been so many tree
huggers on this planet. Statistically speaking, it was only a matter of
time before the hugging let to heavy petting, and on to more intimate
--Binge in Moderation
PS - My SUV is only two and a half tons. I'm of the opinion that I am doing
the world a favor by speeding up the process of ending our reliance on oil
as an energy source. I'm simply using it all up. If you guys in Europe
didn't pay the equivalent of 6$ a gallon, you'd be driving in comfort as
well - instead of in little motorized metal gerbil cages.
$6 a gallon? Get real, due to the "light" composition of North Sea
crude and the subsequent ease of distillation the UK and Norway have
just about the cheapest petrol prices on the planet - maybe around 50
cents per US gallon. The difference is the tax that is added meaning
that recently its been nearer US$8.50 retail.
But, when you live in Europe, you can drive proper cars rather than
something resembling an HGV's that have been left out too long in the
rain. Cars with properly engineered chassis dynamics that enable you
to go round corners as well as in a straight line, cars that don't
have any cup holders, nor aircon, nor airbags, cars that weigh
around 0.7 tonnes and made of aluminium - yes aluminium is how it is
spelt. Cars powered by puny 1.8 litre (call it 110 cubic inches)
engines producing 120bhp - But with the car being so lightweight this
110 cubic inches gives acceleration of 0-60 in around 5 seconds and
130mph while also giving 45mpg in regular, more restrained use. Plus
you can drive it to the shops, put in a full weeks worth of shopping
in the boot, yes the boot, a trunk being something on the front of an
elephant, yet commute every day in perfect comfort and then race it on
the track on a weekend.
Quite simply an SUV is an overgrown planet destroying turd in
disguise. The civilised world knows what an utter abortion they are
both for other road users, and the future of human life on the planet.
As usual the majority of Americans sadly haven't got a clue. But
there are also a few brain dead Europeans who think an SUV is a
"status symbol" rather than what it really is - an indication of
inherent gross stupidity.
So from the part of the world that does give a toss, thanks for
f*cking up the planet for ever, just so you can drag your lard ass
down the burger joint to eat your hormone infested, antibiotic laden
"pure" beef......with fries of course :)
Have a nice day, the way the Americans are destroying the planet it
could be your last.
wrote:<BR>> <BR>>>PS - My SUV is only two and a half =
tons. I'm of
the opinion that I am doing <BR>>>the world a favor by speeding up the
process of ending our reliance on oil <BR>>>as an energy source. I'm
simply using it all up. If you guys in Europe <BR>>>didn't pay the
equivalent of 6$ a gallon, you'd be driving in comfort as <BR>>>well -
instead of in little motorized metal gerbil cages.<BR>> <BR>> $6 a gallon?
Get real, due to the "light" composition of North Sea<BR>> crude and the
subsequent ease of distillation the UK and Norway have<BR>> just about the
cheapest petrol prices on the planet - maybe around 50<BR>> cents per US
gallon. The difference is the tax that is added meaning<BR>> that
recently its been nearer US$8.50 retail. <BR>> <BR>> But, when you
live in Europe, you can drive proper cars rather than<BR>> something
resembling an HGV's that have been left out too long in the<BR>> rain.
Cars with properly engineered chassis dynamics that enable you<BR>> to go
round corners as well as in a straight line, cars that don't<BR>> have any
cup holders, nor aircon, nor airbags, cars that weigh<BR>> around
0.7 tonnes and made of aluminium - yes aluminium is how it is<BR>> spelt.
Cars powered by puny 1.8 litre (call it 110 cubic inches)<BR>> engines
producing 120bhp - But with the car being so lightweight this<BR>> 110 cubic
inches gives acceleration of 0-60 in around 5 seconds and<BR>> 130mph while
also giving 45mpg in regular, more restrained use. Plus<BR>> you can
drive it to the shops, put in a full weeks worth of shopping<BR>> in the
boot, yes the boot, a trunk being something on the front of an<BR>> elephant,
yet commute every day in perfect comfort and then race it on<BR>> the track
on a weekend. <BR>> <BR><FONT size=4>SNIP uninformed stereotypical rant
about how Americans are sooo fat and wasteful.</FONT><BR>> <BR>> Have a
nice day, the way the Americans are destroying the planet it<BR>> could be
your last.<BR>> <BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Whatever it takes for you to be happy driving
little disposable aluminium death traps, it's fine by me. I do wonder,
though, why you don't go the rest of the way and just
drive scooters? The power/weight ratio is even better for them and
you may even be able to carry more in the boot. I've seen families of 4 on
scooters in Malaysia and they seemed happy as clams.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Me? I prefer to have one vehicle in my three
car garage that can carry the wood I need for projects and also be able
to carry me, the missus, the kid, the dog, and all our luggage comfortably
across country. It's also nice to be able to fit furniture, big-box
electronics, and whatever I please in the cargo area. Hell, I 've taken 8
folks down to the Chicago lakefront for festivities several times. Try
that in one of the little engineering marvels of which you're so
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I wasn't brought up in a minimalistic environment,
so I can't relate to your passion about tiny cars, although the teenagers here
seem to love them. I've lived in several European countries and I have to
say the cars, the roads, the homes (flats?), and even the stores make me
claustrophobic. It's sad you don't have the room to breathe that we have
here, but don't insult us for it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>When then time comes (8.50$ gas is one of
those times), I'll move from my 14mpg GAZHOG to a more fuel efficient
vehicle. Until then, I do what I can afford and be comfortable with.
The last thing on my mind is my contribution to greenhouse gasses and the THEORY
of global warming. Wthat horse manure. Just because it's repeated
enough does not make it true.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>--Hedley</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>--Binge in Moderation</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV></BODY></HTML>
Fast forward a few years, you're been walking with your family for
weeks in the hope of finding a green land over the horizon. You're now
sheltering in a rusting SUV in the middle of nowhere, the military
have only a few weeks fuel and water reserves left and many of them
are deserting and going back to try and look after their families.
There is a dust storm outside and you have a dry throat, you've not
had a cold coke or beer for months. You're trying to explain to your
grandchildren why there is dust everywhere, no food and no water. You
finally admit that It's because many years ago you, along with all the
other fools ignored the signs. You and your government did jack shit
about global warming, as they thought it wouldn't affect them and
doing anything would hurt the economy.
The sea levels have since risen and flooded every coastal city, across
the continent soil blows away in the wind, grain harvests have failed
every year for the past decade and new seed is in short supply. Wars
have been fought worldwide for years over water, the wars over oil are
now a distant memory. Everywhere is turning back to desert. Bodies are
lying everywhere. The scenes of famine common in Africa for many years
are on the doorstep of every single American. Disease is rampant,
flies are everywhere and you know its only time before you and your
family become the next victims.
At the start of the 21st century 4000 people a day were dying due to
the lack of fresh water and good sanitation, more than died in the
terrorist attacks on September 11th 2001, but conveniently those 4000
deaths a day were conveniently out of sight overseas and never on the
nightly news. Now the deaths are 1000 times that and increasing.
4,000,000 a day dying worldwide and increasing every day, but nothing
can be done, the coin has flipped and although the cockroaches may
ultimately survive there seems little hope for humans.
As your life and that of your grandchildren ebbs away you reflect back
to the time many years ago when you drove your gas guzzling SUV down
to the shore of Lake Michigan where there was always a refreshing
breeze. It's not rained or snowed on the shores of Lake Michigan for
years, now that lake bed is a vast desert, all the water has gone,
over 1000 cubic miles of fresh water used to try and support the grain
harvest and quench mouths. It's unbearably hot by day, bitingly cold
by night. If only you had the sense, the balls and the common decency
as a human being to do something about it back then. If you had then
things could have been different. But instead you followed the
ignorant crowd, the herd of those that couldn't be bothered at all
about what happened many years down the line.
Think about the legacy you are leaving for future generations. If all
you leave are footprints, offspring and good memories that last
forever then be proud, any other legacy will not be appreciated by
future generations - if there are any future generations that is.
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