I just call them up and tell that ANY unsolicited packages arriving by
mail ARE considered as gifts. If THEY want it back, they can pay me
for my time and effort, otherwise, Thank you very much for the nice
NRA did this with a video a while back, and other than the person I
was talking to on the phone NOT really understanding what the big deal
was, gave no hassles over this approach
As editor and publisher, I don't believe Popular Woodworking is
involved in this and wanted to get the word out that if anyone has any
more details or specific information, I'd like to know in order to put
an end to it. I also checked with our Woodworkers Book Club and based
on the post, doesn't sound familiar to them.
You could be very correct. The package had the names of Woodworkers Journal,
Popular Woodworking and Fine Woodworking on it. As I only subscribe to
Popular Woodworking, I doubt this would have come from any other source.
But, if it did not come from your publication, please accept my sincere
apology. But, I'm not going to keep the subscription anyhow. I just don't
trust magazine folks anymore.
I've learned that an employee here actually received the same book and
offer in the mail yesterday. Let me just say that it is from a
competitor of Popular Woodworking and leave it at that. It was a book
for $9 with option to pay the $9, return it postage paid so another
woodworker could get it, or, since it was unsolicited, just keep it.
Maverick, I'd have to agree that this is a marketing tactic designed to
confuse the recipient. It's also a practice Popular Woodworking would
not engage in. And I wish you'd reconsider your subscription with us
and not paint all magazines with the same brush.
Steve, Popular Woodworking Editor & Publisher
Join the crowd, I just got a invoice from Woodworkers Journal stating
"Welcome Back". I have never received one of their magazines. I tried
subscribing once (several years ago), even filled out a subscription form
and mailed it with a check. They obviously couldn't get the check out of the
envelope (the check never cleared the bank) and proceeded to send me dunes
for payment. I sent them a letter stating that I had sent a check and had no
intension of issuing another until I was sure that the first wouldn't show
up. They never acknowledged the problem or apologized, just kept sending
ruder dunes which I just kept feeding my shredder. RM ~
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Yeah, it's amazing how one or two magazine subscriptions can turn into
5 or 6 bills- I subscribe to Discover, Popular Mechanics and
Woodsmith, and I get a bill from some other magazine at least once a
month. Wood magazine keeps sending me invoices, as well as Popular
Woodworking and a couple of others. But- I don't actually believe
that the magazines have much to do with it. I ordered Discover and
Popular Mechanics directly via the subscription cards that come in the
magazines, and I don't get any bills for similar magazines- Woodsmith,
I ordered from a magazine clearinghouse online, and I get deluged by
offers related to woodworking. Seems to me it's the clearinghouse
that is doing the sleazy work- not necessarily the magazines
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No, it's not sleazy at all. If you take the time to READ the "offer", they
state that you do NOT have to return it, according to USPS law. You didn't
order it so it's yours. They would LIKE you to return it but not required.
A very common marketing tactic. I get LOTS of free books that way <G>.
But, in fairness to PW - it's all explained in their literature that came
with the book - which is an OK book BTW.
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:18:15 GMT, the inscrutable "Maverick"
Just Say No!
Please remember that you never have to pay to return something someone
sends to you unsolicited. If they bill you for it, request a return
postage label. Some places, like Amazon, have ways of doing this
online. I was able to print one for returning the book in minutes.
Yes, the book clubs with their auto-shipping policies sucker millions
out of unsuspecting customers each year. That tactic sucks, but if
you don't stand up to them, it will continue to happen.
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I'm glad to see that Steve Shanesy stepped up, already. I'm almost positive
this came from Woodworkers Journal, not Popular Woodworking. At least, the
book that I got came from WJ. I also received several requests for payment
even though I never ordered the book. Very sleazy and makes me think I may
not want to continue my subscription to WJ. I keep expecting some kind of
apology from them for this marketing approach.
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Reading all this with interest, I am highly offended at these tactics
and the only way they'll stop is if you whack them a couple of times.
It also struck me that here in NJ they have this consumer fraud statute
which allows for treble damages and attorney fees, and this tactic
seems to fall within its prohibitions. I wish they'd send one to me
and then try to bill me for it; I'd whip up a lawsuit so fast and sue
them for three times the $9 plus the fees of a lawyer acquaintance of
mine (@$300/hr) just to make them hire a lawyer to defend the case.
Let's see, about 3 hours to research and draft the complaint, another 4
hours for a summary judgment motion, 4 hours to appear and argue the
motion....it all adds up.
You've got it. When my Mom was well along in her 80's she ordered a stamp
catalog. They sent her a bill (aprox $25) for sample stamps that they
claimed to have sent her. Mom didn't recall ordering or receiving any
stamps. After umpteen statements demanding payment I sent the company a
letter explaing Mom's age and that she didn't remember ordering or receiving
any stamps but if they could provide me with tangible evidence that the
stamps were indeed ordered and received I would gladly send them a check.
They never responded to my letter but kept sending demands for payment, even
had a collection agency (probably a fake) send demands. These demands went
on for about two years then stopped. RM~
You are correct, total sleaze. However, don't send it back, it's
yours. While living in CT a few years back, I had this with the
infamous "Cue-cat" (If you don't know what this is, do a Google
search, it's really quite funny) The local PO chief showed me an
extract from his manual of regs and rules. If it's unsolicited, it's
yours after some time. 30 or 90 days, IIRC. You don't have to do
anything, except count the days.
I don't know, but maybe there's something in the terms and conditions of
your subscription that allows them to do this and therefore implies that the
book is not unsolicited. i.e. "We may from time to time send you items that
we think might be of interest etc." or am I just paranoid.
"Barry Lennox" < firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote in message
It is a little sleazy, but it can be useful if the books are
worthwhile. I'm not a subscriber to Popular Woodworking, so I didn't
get that one, but I do subscribe to Woodsmith, and buy the books they
send me every month or so. There's no real discount to doing it that
way, but it's a nice easy way to build of my woodworking library, and
they've come in handy a couple of times already. I guess the biggest
difference in the strategy of the two publishers is that to get the
monthy books from woodsmith, I had to actually fill out and mail in a
card- they didn't just send it to me without asking.
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