I need joiner, table saw, band saw. Going grizzly all the way gets me
10 inch tablesaw - 3 HP G1023Z - $925
14 inch band saw with rizer G0555 $425
6 x 47 joiner G1182Z $325
for a total of 1675 pluss about 200 shipping and another 125 for mobile
bases - brings it to - Ta-Da $2000.00
Where can I get more for less?
I didn't mention this in my earlier post but Mike is right. For more money
(quite a bit more) you can get the Griz G0500 8"x 75" Jointer. My son in
law took delivery on one of them a few months ago and it is a great looking
I have both the G1023SL and the G0500 Jointer. Love them both. I am
very glad I got these.
I have used the full width and length of the jointer on both Cherry
and Hard Maple. Very smooth cuts with the 4 cutting blade and plenty
Where? Just about anywhere. But more what? More tools? Same brand tools for
less money? Other brand tools for the same money? Other brand tools for more
money but better quality?
FWIW, buying all the same brand tools is a mistake you will likely regret
later. Spend the time to find the best in each tool category you can afford.
Also, it would help if you describe roughly the type of work you want to do
as that will determine the tools you should consider.
My 2c worth.
I guess the short answer, with any other considerations, would be -
Delta 14" metal/wood bandsaw in nearly new condition $150
Makita planer/jointer $500 I wanted this as I know how well it works
with good blades
Delta turret 12" radial arm saw $300
Bosch plunge router $50
Jet shaper with cutters $150
Powermatic drill press $200
All the equipment is in nearly new condition. Retail price for new is
much much more. A 20 year old tool with little use is as good as some
new equipment or beter.
I'm going to move to your neighborhood. I read the paper every day and the
local shopper every week. In three years I've only seen a Unisaw for sale
one time and it was $1200. That ad appeared the day after I bought my new
You and me both. I scan the local trader pub and the metro paper
regularly, and have NEVER seen anything worth calling about.
Sometimes I believe these folks make up stories about finding Unisaws
for $350 just to gloat. ;-)
Or to re-enforce the lies they tell their better halves...
Good. I got a response. I worked for a science museum a few years ago.
They opened in 1988. They bought a bunch of tools new and some used.
Redmond Equipment is the sticker on some of the tools. As some of you
know, science museums are not the sexiest museums to support. Unless
you have a huge endowment you may very well fail. That museum is not
the only science museum in the state suffering or on the verge of
collapse. In any event when they closed doors I vultured in with bids
for tools I wanted and tools that some of my friends wanted.
Oportunities knock and sometimes you get lucky and answer.
The bandsaw was from another non-profit that has their annual garage
sale in September. A widow gave them the a bunch of tools when her
husband passed on. At that sale I said some of the prices were too low
and I paid more.
So I now have a 3 phase Unisaw and a 3 phase drill press sitting in
the garage. Not much use. Do I just get new motors which seems cheaper
than a phase converter? I am still debating that.
Today's task is moving them from the garage to the basement. You know
that having some sling straps and a hayfork on the front end loader of
the John Deere makes it easier to unload stuff off the back of the
pickup or to move it to the basement door.
Other task for the next few weeks is to design and weld some mobile
bases. Not enough room for my bicycles and the woodworking tools. Then
the debate of which of my old tools I keep and which ones I sell or
give away. I have such fond memories of the Delta contractors saw,
early 80's vintage and the 10" Delta turret radial arm saw.
I am taking down a dust collection system. To big for me but if anyone
wants it they can send me an email. I will sell for the time it takes
me to strike it. I will post pictures on my web site sometime soon. I
recall it has 6 or 8 filter bags, a 10 or 12" duct going in, two 55
gallon drums to collect stage one particles. Noisy as all get out.
Funny how those work... the folks across the street were selling some
tools a while back, and they had brand new Craftsman dust collector
still in the box they wanted $50 for (someone else got it while I was
going to the ATM, drat!) but they wanted $125 for an off-brand scroll
saw that was beat to hell- and wouldn't take a penny less.
I won't do either... 3-phase? That's just too much work to make it
worthwhile. Tell you what, since you already went through the trouble
of hauling the things home, I'll come pick up those nasty tools, and
take 'em away for you- then you won't have to worry about it any more;
it would be my good deed for the week!
Of course, if you really want to give it a go, I know my uncle used to
generate his own third phase in his sharpening shop- I was not too
familiar with the system in it's totality, but I know that the part I
saw was just a large electric motor and a switch. To start it, he'd
wind a cord around the spindle of the motor and yank it, then flip the
switch while it was spinning- the motor would then keep spinning on
it's own, and (presumably) generate the 3rd phase. There *could* have
been a converter hiding somewhere upstairs in the office (then again
the motor could have been a converter, for all I know), but it looked
to me like it was just some creative wiring- and it worked like a
charm for him for a very long time. Might be worth checking out.
Yeah, way too much work... I'm telling you, I'll come save you all
that trouble if you like!
You know how you hear people that say they found such a deal. You just
look and look and look and maybe you get lucky. I have been looking
for a drill press for a few years. I want the good stuff but I don't
like that retail price. Same for the bandsaw sort of. I did not have
as much of a lust.
The 3 phase question. I have a working Delta contractors saw. Works ok
for me. I can wait until I pay off this group of tools before I buy a
single phase motor for the saw. I have a bunch of 3/4 hp motors but
all are the flexible mount which will not work for the press. Wah.
What you saw at your uncle's shop was a phase converter. The motor
lets the tool work a bit harder. There are a series of capacitors that
dump some juice to the third leg since you only have 2 legs in a
standard house. The rope is to get the motor turning. Google searches
explain it in detail.
The tools made it to the basement just fine so don't lose any more
sleep worrying about those tools sitting in unconditioned space.
Do you live near one of the showrooms? Ask the wife if she'd like to go for
a ride in the country...maybe plan a vacation near there. Oh by the way
honey, have I got a surprise for you. On another note, look for grizzly on
Joe - I can't comment on the band saw or jointer. However, I think you can
do even better on the saw. Skip the "Z" version of the 1023 and buy the
basic 1023S. This will save you $100 and you might be happier in the long
1) The Shop Fox "Precision" fence used on the "Z" contains moving parts -
some wheels that help guide the fence on the rails.
2) Before I bought my 1023S a couple of years ago I came across some reviews
that said the wheels required maintenance and there might be a wear issue.
3) I visited the Grizzly store in Springfield a few weeks before my purchase
and got a first-rate demonstration from one of their reps. I asked about
the differences between the ShopFox Classic used on the "S" and the
"Precision" fence on the "Z". Being a loyal Grizz guy he said both were
good, the Classic was built like a rock and he personally owned the "S".
4) WOOD Magazine reviewed several aftermarket-available fences a few issues
back and the Shop Fox Classic used on the "S" came in as a very close
comparison with the Beismeier. In contrast, the Shop Fox "Precision" came
in with issues including some clearance problems.
5) I will tell you that during my visit to Springfield, the "Precision" felt
absolutely as smooth as glass. By then, I had doubts that it would stay
that way. The "Classic" used on the "S" is also smooth but in a heavier
sense - the fence is built like a fire plug.
Consider going with the "S" version and buy another toy.
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