Will the chancellor cane house owners in the budget?

[IMM]

If you never had a car your kids would have got jobs locally, like they did

40 years ago.

[IMM]

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[IMM]

[IMM]

It was Thatcher who introduced two tiers of management into the NHS.

[Andy Hall]

... and?

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[Andy Hall]

A system of public healthcare and a private one where users of it are not penalised for doing so. As it is, huge sums are wasted on admin in the public sector and people wishing to buy their own healthcare, thus unburdening the state system are penalised for doing so, several times over.

As you say, nobody looks at the big picture

The right thing to do would be to spend some of the money saved in retraining and reskilling those affected by such outsourcing. There is nothing new in the notion of jobs in certain sectors moving to lower cost production areas. Ultimately, attempting to control that by artificial means and props doesn't work. It would be far better to accept that that is the way that the market is going and dealing with it positively.

They are nobody's business apart from the parties involved.

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[Andy Hall]

No it isn't. It is the first objective of any business.

That is important as well but it is not the first objective - it can't be. You need to have fulfilled all or most of the points that you mention, but they are not an end in and of themselves.

This is a circular argument of course

Yes, dear.

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[Andy Hall]

Natwest already is :-)

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[Andy Hall]

It is local. We are talking about 7km door to door and a worthless bus service.

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[IMM]

Nothing is solve at all. It is just shuffling the same furniture around the same room. duh!

[IMM]

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A recent TV programme. highlighted the health service on the Spanish Costa's. They do operations, amputate needlessly, etc, because they MAKE MORE MONEY, doing that. Putting health into the market place is stupidity. The standards are always lowered.

It does. You have to slowly introduce outsourcing, so skills and re-trained.

They are! Through the drugs I buy, prescribed by the NHS, I pay fro SKB parachutes.

[IMM]

No it is not. It just means I was right and you were wrong.

By gad ! he is learning.

[Andy Hall]

That would assume that the number of pieces of furniture is fixed, which it is not.

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[Andy Hall]

So it must be right.

No it isn't. It's called choice.

Not in my personal experience.

That begins by accepting that outsourcing is going to happen rather than wasting time trying to protect untenable situations.

So complain to the NHS. They don't have to buy drugs from SKB.

Equally you don't have to have drugs prescribed by the NHS in the first place.

SKB is a commercial enterprise, not a charity. If it wishes to handle its executive remuneration in a particular way that is up to it and its shareholders. In the context of its overall balance sheet, this is a tiny amount anyway. its customers are at liberty to buy elsewhere if they don't like it.

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[Andy Hall]

Nah. You were wrong and I was right :-)

I already did.

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[IMM]

It is. There are only so many midwives. You don't train them overnight. Your ridiculous notion of just going private and then all will be solved is very silly. All it will mean is that rich people benefit over the poor. The midwives will be tempted over to the private sector at the expensive of the real sector.

[IMM]

It was right.

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[Andy Hall]

They can be recruited from overseas just as they are to an extent now.

The question is why don't people here want to train for this profession? Working conditions perhaps?

It simply means freedom of choice.

... and why would they be tempted? Better pay and conditions? WHy should they be restricted to where they can work?

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[IMM]

Something I wouldn't like to do.

You just can't get a point can you. All this private Tory balls is still swishing around you noggin.

[Sausage King]

I always amuses me when semi-troll lefties like yourself can provide no back argument.