WC Plumbing issues - new ideal standard space will stick out

[emma]

I don't think this is an insuperable problem but I want to get this right for obvious reasons - I have now got an ideal standard space WC in the close coupled configuration - dimensions here

and this is replacing a 10 year old close coupled WC. Unfortunately the space wc seems to use the same pan in both the back to wall and close coupled configurations so there is not a lot of room at the back of the toilet - 134mm - and the soil pipe is 3 foot to the left of the wc so the pipe has to do a 90 degree turn. The soi pipe is a fat grey plastic pipe that runs into the stack which is vertical is the borner of the bathroom (house also 10 years old) and the current WC connector goes over this pipe, does a short 90 degree turn then attaches to the WC so remains very fat and wide. I can see that replacing part of the run of this pipe with a narrower white wc waste as sold in the sheds will help me get the movement back I need, but I think a 90 degree one will still stick out too far. I've searched on past postings and come across a swan neck shaped like a question mark wc connector like this - is this what I need and does it fit directly into the big grey soil pipe or is there some kind of reducer needed.

Note - bathroom is very small which is why I got the space bog in the first place - really don't want it sticking out and being bodged with bit of wood behind cistern.

Cheers, Emma

[Set Square]

Assuming that your horizontal soil pipe which connects into the stack is the usual 110mm (outside) diameter pipe, this fitting is designed to push directly *into* it. There's a ribbed rubber seal on the outside of your fitting which seals against the inside of the soil pipe, and also a shoulder which butts up to the end of the soil pipe. The only skill needed is in cutting the soil pipe squarely in exactly the right place. [I didn't reackon on the shoulder when I did one recently, assuming that it *all* went inside - with the result that the toilet is 1/4" further way from the stack than I had intended - but it doesn't really matter in my case.]

[emma]

Thanks for this - yes the fitting will fit into the soil stack, but the swan neck I bought today actually makes things worse as it doubles back on itself a little too far. This toilet is a back to wall toilet, basically, sold as close coupled and I will be phoning Ideal Sodding standard tommorow to complain as its a right sod to fit with side exit waste. Looks like mc alpine make a 90 degree fitting which will work - the B&Q one won't - but am delighted I bought this W.C online as sending it back is a nightmare, esp now its unpacked, and it shouldn't be this hard to basically plumb in. Rant over. Sigh.

[David Hansen]

On 25 Jan 2006 11:34:47 -0800 someone who may be "emma" wrote this:-

When removing plumbing people will often save McAlpine fittings, because they are very useful, while throwing other brands out. I think that's a very sensible approach, they are very good fittings.

[emma]

For anyone needing this in the future - the Mcalpine 90 degree fitting works. Just. Phew.

[manatbandq]

They don't all have a shoulder and you don't have to have a perfectly square cut in exectly the right place for them to work.

What I did was to buy one of every shape and size from B&Q and then return the bits I didn't need.

MBQ