UK power generation

You know, I really really look forward to getting this working so that I can really really rub your nose in it. Of course, you'll do your usual and just pretend it didn't happen or carp and criticise until you're blue in the face.

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Grimly Curmudgeon
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Why? All that's out there is some Germans and lots of sheep. Fuck them, it's for the Greater Good.

Nukes are good. I reckon we'll need at least two and the Irish intolerance of nukes will fade away as time goes on.

Reply to
Grimly Curmudgeon

I can see a front page, with "Watch this space... March 2012", and a video I've not bothered to watch.

Much as I'd like to see them succeed, that website isn't the mark of an organisation going places :-(

Reply to
Clive George

Well it lies in the video.. just how carbon free is building turbines and dams? A hint, its not. and you still need power backup for the odd days where the water gets low.

Reply to
dennis

Bugger. Well, they're still beavering away behind the scenes and there's update every so often from a couple of members on another forum.

Unfortunately the site seems to have taken a back seat. The organisers are in the political negotiating and engineering planning phase. BS aside, some serious money is ready to come in once the ground is properly readied.

Reply to
Grimly Curmudgeon

A lot of new build is electric heating. With modern building standards (good insulation, no draughts) places can be kept warm from the waste heat from the occupants and appliances in them. There is a bit of heating demand when it gets really cold and to warm a place up reasonably quickly but 500W panel heaters do that. Easy and cheap to install as well...

Reply to
Dave Liquorice

I think the pumps used to keep the gas pressure up burn gas from the pipe they are pressurising. These sites all seem to have 3 or 4 m high flue like objects on them...

Of course the controls for those gas burning pumps need electrickery but a small standby genset could deal with that. It's also very bad news if a consumer gas main loses pressure. They need to send "engineers" to every affected property to switch off the supply, flush and repressurise the main, then send engineers around again to switch the supply back on and make sure pilot lights etc are lit...

Water is generally gravity fed from a local reservior, many of those are gravity fed from bigger reserviors.

Ultimately they would stop but if the grid was black for that long I think you'd be far more worried about other things, like food.

Reply to
Dave Liquorice

Well I see a handfull a nice greeny sound bites but nothing about what has or is actaully going to be done.

Only two other links to other sites, one Hydro and another Jewelry.

As a site 1/10 as I see something, accessable it is not. Looking at the source code it's ram packed with javascript with hardly any . There looks to be a navigation menu but it's commented out.

Reply to
Dave Liquorice

Ah, political shit not light going out shit.

TBH I'd be *very* surprised if any government actually let the lights go out on a scheduled basis without drawing on every single kW they could get their hands on and screw emmissions and/or any other national/international group.

Reply to
Dave Liquorice

So it's content-free, then (apart from motherhood and apple pie)?

Reply to
Tim Streater

2010

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

usual bollocks, with no actual sums. wind plus pumped storage? yeah right. Now work out how MUCH of both is needed, how MUCH of the land area it will take and how MUCH it will cost.

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

Grimly: this is not a matter of opinion, faith, belief or politics.

It is a matter of pure engineering feasibility, geography cost and physics.

It cannot be done.

As an engineer with a good grasps of physics and and in depth knowledge of electrical engineering, I don't even have to contest this. I refreed you to a paper which you obviously haven't read, or if you have, obviously haven't understood, where the reasoning is carried out. If you choose to ignore it and believe in fairy tales, that's your problem, and Ireland's problem. Not mine.

I weep for you both.

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

If you have nukes for sure you don't want to spend money on wind turbines.

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

Exactly. The slipped that one past the Limp Dims.

Essentially its a 'green' bill with the option to totally ignore greenery.

Should circumstances make it necessary - and of course they will.

My best guess is that there is an unholy compromise in there. 'Give the greens something to crow about, but keep the door open for sanity when in two years time there is no sign of any global warming, no international agreement on green issues, and hopefully we will have a majority government'

Mind you with a freak poll giving UKIP 16% of the vote and the tories only 26%, that last looks like fading into the distance.

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

Every hotel and office that I visit that was built in the oughties has electric heating.

Reply to
Steve Firth

Are you sure? It's more common to have small local heaters to trim the temperature - but the main heating done by gas or oil, with ducted air.

Reply to
Dave Plowman (News)

The sheep or the Germans, or perhaps both ?

Sheep are very recylable you can have sex with them wear them and eat them, preferably in that order, not sure I'd do all 3 with Germans ;-)

Reply to
whisky-dave

Meanwhile we seem to have fired up some SERIOUS oil fired power stations.

Wind - stil very low. France and the Netherlands sucking mightily. Demand high and 1.13GW of OIL burners. Phew. NEVER seen that before. That's not a test start. That's full power operation on one or more stations.

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

And broadband! ;-)

Tim

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Tim+

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