Suggestions for a router & ONT UPS?

One of the reviews said that the supplied power supply was only 25W so rather less than the possible total output. Maybe you're supposed to buy one yourself?

But then Amazon reviews seem sometimes not to refer to the actual product on sale.

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You don't get 140W wall warts, well into power brick territory by then.

Other similar devices indicate that the maximum input (VA) is lot less than the total maximum simultaneous outputs (multiple VAs) so these devices can only reliably supply the maximum output if the battery is already (fully) charged. This is possibly OK if what is permanently connected takes a lot less than the mini ups maximum input, plus there is spare to charge the battery.

My router specification gives two consumption figures, 6W average, 18W peak. What happens to the router if the maximum input to the box is, say, 25W and the connected router requires the 18W AND another device permanently connected requires 10W? As the input hasn't failed does the UPS fail to deliver the required output from the input or does it supplement the shortfall from the battery?

Why do you care?

If you have a power outage most of the stuff that uses the internet switches off, so keeping the ONT and router on is less important. If you need phone or internet, most people have a mobile smart phone.

I can understand a UPS to protect disk, or a Raspberry Pi running essential home services, but in the age of the mobile smart phones it doesn't seem essential for connectivity.

Old people generally have their emergency button.

Not everyone carries their mobile phone at all times.

My wife is disabled. If she has a fall in the house, she cannot get up without help. As she uses both hands on the banister or when carrying something (such as a dinner plate) and (like most women) has no pockets in most of her clothes, her mobile is often not in the same room as her (or even on the same floor). Keeping the base-station powered allows her to crawl or shuffle to the nearest cordless phone and use it as an intercom to the rest to request help. If there is no-one else in, then keeping power to the base-station, router and ONT, allows her to phone out.

My Mum has an emergency wrist button she wears at all times. This connects to a council emergency service, (via its own mobile sim).

Is that not better?

Which requires battery backup to what is connected to te phone line.

AIUI, Mum's wrist button links to a device that has independent mobile network connectivity, it is not connected to a phone line. A bit like an energy smart meter. Yes, it has battery backup, just as a mobile phone, or laptop has battery backup.

What I'm trying to understand is what extra utility people believe they gain by adding battery backup to an ONT and Router.

Simply keeping the phone working during a power outage - although it does also mean that laptops and tablets can still be used via the wi-fi and so would allow me to carry on working and not lose pay if it were on a WFH day.

Same here. On ours, the base station has the ability to choose between two networks and has about 1 week internal battery back-up fitted (Careium Eliza S).

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1. most of these these emergency buttons don't work with VOIP. Those that do need the ONT and router to be working.
2. Not everybody has a good indoors mobile signal. I can go to an upstairs window and make calls. Normally I use a home wifi connection for my mobile. No internet - no phone!
3. i find it useful to view the electricity provider's website if I have a power cut. That gives me some idea about the duration of the outage.

If there's a decent mobile signal at the location where it's needed.

Possibly the ability to use a laptop for a few hours.

Last serious power cut I had to put my mobile in a window cill to get signal, and connect a laptop to it

It was clear that the rate of battery usage was only going to give me an hour or so, on the mobile.

I simply registered my issue with the power company who put me on the list of 'people to text next time' and showed me a map of the affected area.

Which to be fair they have done (texted me) for subsequent minor outages.

If I gave enough of a s*it I would power my ONT, router, ethernet switch, server and desktop unit.

Probably about 500W, although average usage would be more like 100.

It gives me options.

If power goes down, the UPS will keep the internet going for an hour or so, plenty of time in which to get out the big power bank, connect up a standard lamp, the UPS, and if I want, power the TV or charge up the mobile phones (although we have a number of smaller power banks for this). I keep the big power bank and necessary cables at hand.

I can run this setup (including TV) for about four hours. If the break is likely to be longer, given what could be discovered about it, I wouldn’t waste the energy on the TV, for example, but not turn it on and so extend the useful time of the power bank. In an extended outage I would just use battery radios to get information or stream news channels to a smartphone.

We have a number of rechargeable torches, that are each good for 10-12 hours of light, a gas hob for which we keep a separate igniter, and a backup camping stove.

Or we could just sit in the dark and the cold, wondering what happened to that cheap and plentiful electricity that’s been promised for more than 20 years.

If pushed, I could set up my low power battery-powered MF/HF amateur radio station in about an hour (including making an antenna) and talk to people that way, or use the local VHF repeater system if it’s functioning or the simplex channels if not. The PMR446 system is another capability.

And yes! I can ‘do Morse’ as well, and Mrs Spike can do that and send/receive semaphore.

I’m old, I use brains and experience.

In our case, the UPS was specifically to allow the server to shut down gracefully. As the router, network switch and phone base-station were in the same location, those were powered from it too. As we changed to fibre, the ONT was added.

It makes it simple, as we needed a UPS anyway and everything, comms wise, being in the same location, allows it to all be supported through an outage.

OK, I get some people don't have good mobile, but I and Mum do. If my ONT goes down I have mobile internet access, I can tether that to my LapTop. At my house that used to be 20 Mb/s under 4G, although it seems to have come down with the introduction of 5G, go figure?

Basically, Mum didn't get battery backup when she got FTTH last week. From a personal viewpoint, I wondering if I should install it for her, but I would need ONT, Router and ATA. I think at the moment the emergency button is enough, and that I should devote myself to other tasks, such as a louder phone, mobile connectivity on her android tablet.

Ah, now that I do see the utility in.

Yeah, if you've got it already.

We have a perfectly good mobile signal. It is simply that my wife cannot carry anything up and down stairs, as she needs both hands on the rail. Nor can she carry a plate of food from the kitchen without using both hands. As her clothes mainly don't have pockets (typical for women's clothing), she leaves her moobile if she uses the stairs or nips into another room. The "landline", has cordless phones in each room, except the bathrooms (and she can crawl or shuffle to another room if she has fallen). The landline is therefore more accessible to her than her mobile.

She could have a pendant alarm, but with the landline access, it is not really necessary - and she always wears a cross and chain that her parents gave to her, which a pendant gets wrapped up in.