steel plate thickness query (amongst others!)

[Tim W]

JimK wibbled on Sunday 13 December 2009 10:01

Hard to say. Concrete is pretty firm after an overnight set, but not at all strong. But if it is perfectly bedded, you *might* get away with a car driven carefully if the underlying ground is solid which it should be if it's had MOT hammered into it for the last umpteen years. Of course the next

24 hours will see a big improvement.

If it were me, I might try to give the concrete 24h, then suck it and see. Maybe barrow mix a short test strip to avoid wasting 4m3 if it all goes pear shaped.

There's a substantial risk it will crack, but if it doesn't, the rest of the

150 yards becomes a much easier job.

How thick do you expect to pour and are you planning any reinforcement?

[JimK]

hence my pondering how I could put a lid on it to spread the wheel loads whilst I get a reasonable cure - steel plate seems costly - maybe thick ply would do?

was heading for 4 inch average without any steel - worth adding some? =A3 =A3=A3=A3?!

cheers JimK

[Dave Liquorice]

Reduce the traffic, fit a gate as this is a bridleway make sure it can be opened/closed from horse back.

[JimK]

may be worth Tim trying a gate but IMHO militant nag hackers tend to not close it after themselves.....

isn't there also some requirement for there to have been a gate there before?? or evidence such as hinges on posts/stone gate posts etc?

JimK

[Tim Lamb]

In message , JimK writes

Hmm.. sounds like a bridleway. Somebody has to own the land it stands on.

Lets say you trenched at 2" shuttered and poured 4" you would have 2" deep gap in the middle. M/c and road former hire, concrete plus a final roll, this job is going to cost.

Crushed concrete. You can get different sizes. I think a 20 ton load is

80ukp here. If there is any chance this is a bridleway (check the definitive map) you really must discuss this with the Highways officer. They are usually friendly and may have access to *funds*. Our work was paid for by the tipping tax which is meant to be spent locally.

regards

[dennis]

Wouldn't MOT type 3 avoid this? It has about 30% cavities after compaction so the water drains through.

[Tim Lamb]

Nice thought:-)

It is actually a BOAT; by-way open to all traffic. Legally it should be open at both ends, hence the Navigator problem. Lafarge own the rest of it and they have padlocked gates to prevent fly-tipping.

regards

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[Tim Lamb]

In message , "dennis@home" writes

Long story... this lane may date back to Roman times and apart from agricultural access was used to reach gravel and hoggin on the high ground. Narrow lane, hoggin surface and reasonable fall to drain surface water to river.

Come the village by-pass! Because of the river valley, much of the new road is on an embankment. Embankments cost money as do bridges capable of taking dairy cows and combine harvesters. The upshot was that the lane was *lowered* to provide space (3m) for farm traffic and the lane fall reduced to something like 1:200 or none at all if the river happens to flood!

The consequence is that the underlying soil is wet for most of the Winter and the holes are permanent puddles. If I were trying to cart regular straw bales at 40kph this might be a problem but you can't get many rings of bales under a 3m bridge and I don't have any tractors capable of such speeds:-)

regards

[cynic]

Not all riders are militant but most do object to reduction in their rights (who on this earth doesn't) Simply putting up a gate is not allowed but if you contact your local BHS Access Officer to discuss the matter you may find you have some useful suggestions and helpful advice. You don't say where you are but google for the BHS head office at Stoneleigh and follow the links. The unannounced arrival of a gate across a bridleway is almost guaranteed to start an expensive fight whereas proper consultation and a willingness to take advice can easily oil the wheels. You may also like to contact your local county councils rights of way department. Generally if a gate is operable from horseback it can be arranged to fall gently shut which solves the closure problem

[JimK]

No. If it were just a bridleway by definition I wouldn't be legally allowed to access my property by vehicle would I ?

yes - 3 guesses who?

Cheers JimK

[JimK]

there you go Tim!

(although I can't say I am overly enthusiastic about actively inviting the representatives of usually vociferous objectors/moaners to view my plans in advance.....)

JimK

[Dave Liquorice]

It's your land, your track, you can drive along it. The general public can't though. Anyway I see you say it's a BOAT so anyone can drive it.

The fact that some one else has blocked it with locked gates will be

*very* interesting to the local rights of way officer. Having said that there have been lots of chnages to the rules so the BOAT might not still be open as such.

[Tim Lamb]

In message , JimK writes

If you own the land you can decide to permit higher rights than those enjoyed by the general public. Notably granting yourself permission to take a vehicle along it:-)

Presumably you also grant permission to service vehicles, post etc. The test of status is whether the rest of us have a right to drive along it.

regards

[Tim Lamb]

Attribution issues:-) JimK = bridleway with private access rights.

Mine is the BOAT and yes, the Highways man is getting stressed by GLASS

TROs etc.

regards

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[JimK]

Erm are you saying I have to grant myself rights over my own property!? bollocks!

Surely as landowner I reserve *all* rights.

Which you don't because it's a Bridleway as per Definitive Map.

Where's this stuff coming from? any links to backup your point of view?

cheers JimK

[JimK]

there's now 2 tracks in this thread Dave, mine's not a BOAT for e.g.

Cheers JimK

[Adrian]

JimK gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying:

Not at all.

You don't have to follow any formal procedure to grant yourself rights, just make a little promise not to shout "Git orf moi laaaand!" at yourself whilst waving a shotgun in the general direction of yourself...

[cynic]

Go on give us a grid reference so we can see what and where we are pontificating about :-)

[JimK]

I think not thankyou. :>))

JimK

[Phil L]

You could dig out one track the full length of the pathway (assuming you are using a digger?) in the AM, get 7.5m3 of readymixed poured in the afternoon and cast the whole track in one pour, preferably at dusk (is it used at night at all?) it'll be cured enough to drive over within 24 hours. If the path belongs to you, you can close it off completely, but this means the postman, milkman etc would have to leave your deliveries somewhere else