Speedfit technique

[IMM]

No saw, hacksaw.

It isn't.

No.

Not an issue.

What rabbit hutches do you refer?

..dirty old cows!

I have never seen such a thing. You should stop making things up.

[:::Jerry::::]

Oh I don't know, IMM does like his hacksaw, perhaps he was using the bed frames for pipes.....

But was IMM talking about USA hospitals or UK ones ?...

[:::Jerry::::]

No, that is mostly practised in countries of either far right-wing or communist rule, you also seem to think that socialism = communism...

[Andy Hall]

He almost has some good ideas until he becomes confused about taxation.

[:::Jerry::::]

Replace snake with RTA....

[Andy Hall]

Have you? There are some long words........ :-)

[John Rumm]

Agreed. Which is why safeguards would have the be in place to make sure the level of care available remains (in real terms) as good or better.

The current setup often provides neither alas.

Take dentistry for example; if you need a filling, you can pay for the whole job yourself and have it done properly, or you can have the NHS pay for the job to be hacked quickly in 15 mins. There does not seem to be the option of "I will have the 15 NHS mins, and buy/insure for the other 25". This would make better dental care available to a host of families who currently do not receive it from the NHS, and can't afford to fully fund it themselves. It would also make taking on NHS work financially viable for many more dental practices. A PFI if you like.

[Andy Hall]

He certainly does. Do you think he inherited Henry's armchair and slippers?

[:::Jerry::::]

Yes, the state can't fund a living wage to the NHS staff, because people like you object to paying into a far taxation system....

We are talking about highly skilled staff, not OAP bum wipers, to put it bluntly.

Because peoples health is affected if we don't. But as long as you're OK you don't seem to care about those less fortunate than your self....

It's not broken, people are trying to break it for personal gain but it's not broken at all, just under funded.

[IMM]

You lack common logic. Sad but true.

[IMM]

I know I noticed Mississippi. Now that is long.

[IMM]

Why? are you after them too?

[Andy Hall]

Mmmm.......

Actually not, but that is the most important view together with that of the clinical staff. Both are poor.

This is largely irrelevant - it was fifty years ago. You seem to be hankering after some golden age of state ownership - the NHS and nationalised railways. Some of these things may have been interesting in their early days but the world has moved on and these concepts are outmoded apart from to the diehards.

Not at all. Why shouldn't it be? I see no hypocrisy at all, and actually better management of my taxes.

Sigh......

One of the principal reasons that there has been inadequate infrastructure investment is because the government reneged on the agreed funding of Railtrack and forced it out of existence, only to replace it with Notwork Rail.

Since the government has effectively assumed responsibility for the infrastructure, that would seem reasonable.

[:::Jerry::::]

I'm by no means anti car, I would have problem if I was (!), but that doesn't stop me seeming the need for an integrated public transport system and one that IMO could only be delivered by it being both publicly funded and controlled.

Working from home is a valid argument, but that is dependent on telecoms etc. The issue of regional locations is less so, people would still need to gat to the location, that means travelling, that means congestion - and flexi-time (or what ever) doesn't work for all businesses.

Assuming that all can and wish to drive, again you need to step out of your Utopia and view the real world.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

You snipped the bit that mattered. I was comparing FreeView to cable - hence the bit about 'off air'.

There shouldn't be any audible difference. Nor between it and FM sound either - apart from being in stereo.

Could be the levels are different, which fools many.

I meant the modulators the cable boys use.

You're right that RGB makes a great difference off Freeview, though. My main complaint with it is the lack of colours compared to analogue - flesh tones often look rather bland, with less detail.

[IMM]

Yes, you were put right.

Stop making things up.

Total tripe. A good system is a good system at any time in history.

It is.

He knows sweet FA of economics.

You can't prove poinst, that is the point.

No. It was because it was privately owned. No other reason.

The they should claw back money from the sharks.

[:::Jerry::::]

Your right, they didn't do it correctly (assuming privatisation was correct, which I don't), they were told that the only way any sense could be made out of it was to sell off the BR regions, the result would have been something like the 'Big Four' prior to nationalisation with each new company being responsible for all aspects (track, freight, passenger services etc.) - this was turned down as it would have brought in less money than splitting the system into many different businesses.

IMM, clueless about how the air-line industry works....

[IMM]

They use aeroplanes that fly. They don't use rails.

[Andy Hall]

No I don't, for the Nth time. I said that I don't mind paying a fair chunk of tax based on earnings into a state healthcare fund.

All that I want is to be able to be given the same funding back as everybody else, but to spend or supplement it where I choose. Additionally, I don't want to be penalised through additional taxation on insurance premiums for exercising choice

We have had fifty years of throwing increasing amounts of money into a broken system, and it is time to stop and reassess it.

I am sure that they are highly skilled in their sector just as people in other sectors are skilled in theirs.

Sorry, but this does not justify creating a special case.

That's simply not true. There is no basis in the assumption that the state has to *deliver* the healthcare by running hospitals and all the other paraphernalia. It simply needs to deliver the funding.

Actually I do, and this is the whole point. I would like to see a far better arrangement than we have today and freedom of choice without penalty. The present system is failing miserably, is the subject of ever increasing funding with marginal return.

If it isn't broken, why are there a raft of measures to discourage people from shopping elsewhere?

[Andy Hall]

Until things move on, as they always do.

So political spite that HMG reneged on the agreed funding.......

I always suspected that....