Speaker arrays

Its not, its very very real in terms of damping, because damping is exactly about what mechanical resistances the loudspeakers are involved in.

Which is why the 'only electrical' analysis gets the wrong answer.

well exactly, and as we all know, socialism in action doesn't work.

What I am really saying is that the electrical analysis alone does not provide the correct picture. The mechanical issues are relevant.

The cones are NOT mechanically coupled. The loudspeakers do not see the same mechanical load, especially when they are asymetrically situated in a cabinet.

Two electric motors in series do NOT work the same as two electric motors in parallel, This was an issue that came home to me years ago in analysing why two electric motors in series did not spin two model aircraft propellors at anything like the same speed. As the motor with a bit more load slows down, the voltage across it drops, and the voltage across the other motor rises, exacerbating the difference.

The current, and therefore the torque, is the same, but under different loads the torque being constant doesnt keep the motor speeds as near constant as having the same voltage across both motors - i.e. in parallel.

In the 'theoretical ' case of 'identical ' motors and propellors, it doesn't matter. In practice people found their twins trying to fly in circles..

worst of all, if one motor gets stopped the other one instantly burns out....

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The Natural Philosopher
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1/. They arre not idewnetical. 2/. They are not identically located with respect to the cabinet, so will be in a different phase relationship to the resonanbce

I am simply aghast. I have seem MANY monitors with twin bass units.

Indeed, yours ius..

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The Natural Philosopher

Obfuscation and side-stepping. I used 'motor' in the scientific sense, in this case a voice coil actuator, but you knew that.

I'm done.

Cheers

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Syd Rumpo

I have to stick up for you - I agree with everything you've said. We are talking about Current, Voltage, Mass, and Air. Responses and resonance frequency depend on the coupling between all four of these parameters between all the speakers.

Dave W

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Dave W

How are you driving it? There are some very good amp modules on the market these days at a decent price - so if starting from scratch may make sense to use one per driver and avoid any problems with the loading. Also makes it easy to balance up LF and HF drivers etc.

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Dave Plowman (News)

That's a very interesting thought: I'll look into that.

With regard to the other comments in this thread, I have an awful feeling that if I haven't started a new holy war, I've opened up a new skirmish in an old holy war. Sorry!

I have a few identical but unremarkable loudspeakers kicking around and just thought that, when I get some spare time (ha!) I might amuse myself by trying some aural perception experiments. Please don't ask me what I mean by that: I'll probably only find out when I start playing!

Thanks all,

Nick

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Nick Odell

so to sum up identical speakers see good damping, for non-identical ones the picture is more complex.

NT

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tabbypurr

That must have been interesting. British audio design has a strong international reputation. Which types of audio components were you involved in?

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pamela

I designed all audio - from home hifi to pro audio rigs and discos, and guitar amps as well. Mostly sadly for fly by night companies that had no marketing muscle.

Sound was my passion then. But since I got to understand it all, I lost interest and it never paid, so I became a software engineer instead.

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The Natural Philosopher
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I wouldn't pay too much attention - last week he was a "network designer". He didn't know anything about that, either.

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Huge

Well I made several million quid at it with no complaints.

*shrug* what you believe is what you believe. What I know and what I did is just that. And because its real, you can't take it away from me.

I don't need to prove anything to anyone.

Pearls before swine and all that.

This is the last audio company I worked fir as chief designer back in 1982.

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But I think my boss there has retired

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The Natural Philosopher

Nowadays there's so much digital signal processing in most forms of audio. You can hardly switch on a device like a telly, home cinema AV or a tablet without experiencing audio DSP. Of course, video too.

So, in a way, both audio and software engineering have come together.

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pamela

Yeah. I am working on something along those lines to replicate something I did in hardware, in software.

I mocked up a working control panel in javascript and so on..

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Here's the original I designed for 'Smarmy Parmee' back in te 70's..

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Fun, but what a cowboy company.

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The Natural Philosopher

The audio you hear at home or in the cinema etc has always been processed in some way or another.

It never has been just a microphone plugged down the line to your speakers. ;-)

Digits just may make any processing easier.

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Dave Plowman (News)

I guess "analogue" audio may have been processed using equalisation curves, companding and whatever. Sure, old audio wasn't pure but now it's even less pure.

Digital processing allows very different things to what was available previously - stuff like superwide stereo, pseudo ambience, and various psychoacoustic tricks (such as 3D WOW and TruBass from SRS/DTS).

That's to say nothing of real time noise cancellation or all those clever ways of compressing audio files.

It's a whole new world!

Unfortunately, music often doesn't always sound better after it's been sliced and diced and then reconstituted.

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pamela

Seems that old amp was considered quite clever by emulating the sound of other amps. Will Shaman do the same?

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pamela

Oh yes. Its not hard to do that in digits.

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The Natural Philosopher

I can almost see shades of Bob Carver!

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Please get your delete key fixed.

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Huge

On 01/02/16 21:29, Huge wrote: Fuck off huge

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The Natural Philosopher

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