The house we are in had planning permission granted in 1985, but the guy
that owned it never built the thing so it lapsed. We have got a copy of
the plans from the council.
The fucking council refused planning permission for the extension we
wanted to build due to a fuckwit/hypocritical neighbour that, even
though he built an extension to his house on our side to within the same
distance from our boundary as we wanted to, decided to object and hire
professionals to object for him which resulted in it being refused (even
the pros we had and spoke to off the record cannot believe it was
refused) - long story, don't ask.
So, does anyone have experience of re-applying for planning permission
and whether the fact that it had been granted previously would stand in
I'm sure this fucking neighbour will object whatever we do (unless, as
he's stated, we do an extension exactly like he has - which doesn't give
us the study that we need to advance my wife working from home so is no
bloody good to us)
Any advice duly received......
I think if it for the same plan (that you submitted), that five years
have to elapse before you can resubmit.
Councils and planning permission are something that I have similar
feelings to you on. Appealing is a waste of time and effort unless
you have bundles of money to throw at it, in which case even green
belt land is open to development..
That matches my (expensive) experience - a building was erected based
on an old approval - and was soon served with a demolition order.
Managed to get retrospective permission after an appeal, but the
building had to be changed considerably and lost a good deal of its
value and utility.
The point about "criteria applying at the time of the new
application" should be well heeded - and that incudes the vagaries of
the current Council ....
(Please put out the cats to reply direct)
Yes, this is true. I've just looked at the confirmation of planning
permission which I received last year and it says "The development hereby
permitted must be begun not later than the expiration of five years from the
date of this permission".
Anyone care to speculate as to how little you need to do to be deemed to
If it's not already too late, can you not grit your teeth and sit down
with the neighbour and talk it through, and hopefully come to some
sort of compromise as to what he will accept? Even if it's not
exactly what you want? Having got agreement in principle from him,
then is the time to submit a *new* planning application for a
*different* structure; anything else is likely to cost you big time in
legal fees etc.
IMHO this is vital before submitting a planning application. When we
had an extension built a few years back, the very first step we did
before spending any money anywhere was to sound out the neighbours
feelings (fortunately for us they were fine with it; but I'm convinced
that keeping them in the loop the whole time was of real benefit.
There's nothing more likely to get a neighbour's back up as receiving
a letter out of the blue from the council planners.)
Also, it's often possible to go in and chat to the planning officers
before you actually submit, again sounding them out before cash is
I know what you're saying, but yes - it's too late really. As far as I
can tell he will only accept an extension on totally the other side of
the house to him, which is useless to us due to the layout of the houses
- all it would give us is bigger rooms, when we want a study.
See, I know what you're saying, but IMO it's not really anyone's concern
until the point of submission - why should I have to ask in advance what
I can do? I took advice from the "experts" and they said that what we
wanted to do should not be a problem, I'm a huge believer in live and
let live (which is what I thought when a separate neighbour came round
to talk about whether we were going to object to this neighbour's
planning permission request because their builder had a slot free and it
hadn't been approved when they wanted to start it. If I'd have known
then what I knew now I'd have objected just to screw up his builder's
timeslot and bugger them)
Perhaps that is a useful approach. But again, I truly believe that the
local planning office was badgered so much by this neighbour (who has
the "gift of the gab" due to him being a salesman by trade - I could go
into the military campaign he went into to stop our plans) that the
permission was refused based on his over-the-top campaign. Like I say,
no-one else saw the problem with what we planned. He even got the next
door neighbour but one, who happens to be chairman of our Parish
council, who also voiced an objection even though it would hardly be
visible to them, along with a local councillor who's one of his mates,
to object....! Apparently this is the only time in memory that the
parish council has objected to a private planning permission - make of
that what you will. Yes, I'm bitter, but I feel justifiably so.
Can I rephrase the question a little now - does anyone have experience
of re-applying for a lapsed planning permission and whether it has it
been rejected or re-granted? I'm happy to go with the stats.....!
'Fraid not :-( - he got the plans then shelved it completely. Basically
he submitted 2 sets of plans - one for a ground floor only extension,
then one to build on top of it. Built the first (and apparantly ensured
the foundations were string enough to support the top floor) and didn't
even start the second. Does make me ask why he bothered submitting them
in the first place!
Doesn't that mean the two storey extension was started but never finished ;-), so
you could carry on whenever you wanted.
But I suppose, he obtained a completion certificate for the first storey
and so that is the end of it . . . .
Any mileage there?
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