Solar Panels and electricity cost

What is the connection ? If you have a heart attack at

4AM and live alone then you are not going to be able to even walk to the car. As long as your mobile has some charge, just dial 999. even if you cannot speak they will find you.
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Andrew
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We used to have a kitchen/bathroom installation company in the village. They had a unit down on the industrial estate and also installed solar water panels. They had a south-facing panel fitted at the correct angle on the front of their showroom and a demo-setup H/W cyl inside.

I went in one day to be nosy and the chap inside showed me the tank, pipes and pumps and even though it was a warm but overcast day the pipework and pump supplying the tank were almost too hot to touch.

We are heading back to the situation where sellers packs will be needed and houses that have poor/zero insulation and/or inefficient heating systems are very likely to be clobbered, possibly by putting them into a higher council tax band.

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Andrew

ROFL. Exposure meters do NOT measure IR or UV energy. Try harder.

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Andrew

There are two connections I can think of.

1) My middle son kept stopping breathing at 5 weeks old. We could get him to the hospital far faster by car than by waiting for an ambulance. A number of people have died when ambulance services were overloaded and even the most urgent calls were having to wait.

2) When we got a phone call that my wife's uncle had been rushed to hospital with a stroke and was continuing to have more strokes, we could jump in the car and get there, for her to see him, before he deteriorated too far to talk for the last time.

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Steve Walker

Oh yes. Peak output of a solar panel in bright sunlight on a summers midday is maybe 1Kw /sq m.

Average annual output is 100W/sq m. And most of that is in summer .

"The UK's annual insolation is in the range of 750?1,100 kilowatt-hours per square metre (kWh/m2). London receives 0.52 and 4.74 kWh/m2 per day in December and July, respectively"

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So what that means is that on average winter output is less than 12% of summer output for a start, partly due to lower sun , partly due to less hours in the day.

If you look at Gridwatch, you can get an idea of the difference between a bright sunny day and a dull cloudy one.

Last week Monday saw just about one GW at the midday peak. Thursday was 6GW. So let's say that worst case for the country is one third the average, and in winter that average is 12% of summer, what that means is that a panel that might get you 6kWh in the summer sun might just trickle 240Wh on a dull winter day.

Winter has short days, weak low sun, and if it has clouds as well your solar panel is about as much use as a wet fart in a coronation.

It's all part of ArtStudent? hand-wavy *qualitative* thinking:

'The wind is always blowing somewhere' 'Solar panels still work in winter'. 'Man made carbon dioxide causes global warming'

All these statements are trivially true, but operationally meaningless without some quantitative element added.

If 'man made carbon dioxide causes 0.0001°C global warming' then frankly who gives a f*ck?

If a £3,500 solar panel can't even boil a kettle on a winter's day, is it really worth installing?

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The Natural Philosopher

Yes. I use oil three ways. hot water - £50 a year Running the aga - probably £250 a year tops. Heating the house. £2500 a year probably, nearly all in winter. Right now I am at around 17°C internally with some solar gain, and a

600W aga, and no UFH at all. and outside its 14°C. so only 3°C delta. When it gets to 22°C delta its rather another matter!

Cold and windy is where I simply pour heat into the house. Or light a wood stove or open fire.

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The Natural Philosopher

Well a G98 must be limited to 16A per phase, and a G99 need to installed by an approved "SEG-club" installer, but you can also have a G100 inverter which has higher capacity than 3.7kW but "caps" its output to 16A.

Something with a relay contact to indicate it needs to exports *any* electricity because the battery is full and all demand is being supplied by the panels, would let you dump the spare into a immersion, rather than give it away, or sell it a a SEG rate pittance.

Reply to
Andy Burns

Nobody's saying you get much in Jan/Dec.

e.g. a 3.7kW system will average ~10kWh/day throughout the year, but in the winter months won't even manage to average 4kWh/day.

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Andy Burns

I think not, because he says kWh not kW, e.g. a 10kW shower for 6 minutes is 1kWh

It seems to be the people who are accusing others of confusing power and energy, who are in fact the ones confusing power and energy!

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Andy Burns

Andrew snipped-for-privacy@mybtinternet.com wrote

I did, and drove to the hospital fine. They wouldn?t let me get off the bed there, and wouldn?t let me use the shower either.

Although I got quite a bit of finger wagging for doing that, one of the ambos who took me to the airport for the air ambulance to the state capital for the stent did say that he would do that himself.

And if you don?t live alone, someone else driving you to the hospital can be quite a bit quicker than the ambos.

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John Brown

So the solution to that is to always leave get-me-to-the-hospital range in the car, never to drain it flat. If the hospital is 30 miles away, keep 30 miles of range on there.

In reality, any time you plug in to charge it'll put that range back fairly rapidly, so even if you arrive home with 0 miles of range it would only be a couple of hours to get back your get-me-to-the-hospital range. So it's a fairly small time window to be caught short.

Theo

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Theo

Most people don't live alone.

Bill

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williamwright

When my mother died at 7am I was able to drive the 25 miles to the house.

When my dad had a car accident on a bitterly cold day whilst transporting a heavily pregnant woman I was able to drive to the scene with the heater on, put the woman in my car, keep her warm.

When my wife had a cardiac arrest at ten past midnight I was able to follow the ambulance to the hospital. Suppose I'd had an electric car and it had only been on charge for an hour?

Bill

Reply to
williamwright

No, liars.

Bill

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williamwright

And when you are rushing to see a relative who is possibly dying, at a hospital 250 miles away?

Or, as in our case, receiving a message at 17:30, that a relative has died and they are being buried at 11:00 the next morning, when we were in Manchester and the burial was in Sligo? Too late to get to an airport in time to fly that night and the first flight of the morning arriving too late to pick up a hire car and get to the funeral, so a rush to my parents to drop off the kids; on to Holyhead; a ferry to Dublin; on to Sligo; the church service (arriving with 15 minutes to spare; the burial; a meal; on to Belfast; a ferry to Stranraer; Back to Manchester

- with the only stops of any length being on the ferries, at the Church, at the Cemetery and at the Restaurant.

Reply to
Steve Walker

Indeed:

Reply to
RJH

Yes but you as best i remember don't live with a couple of 20 odd year olds dames who can be in the shower for around an hour!!!

God alone knows what they get up to in there something about washing their hair, that seems to take 2 hours!!

Mine around 10 seconds these days!...

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tony sayer

Cockup of units noted due to this screen being smaller then option to read easily!!!

Reply to
tony sayer

So what do they say when, in response, you accuse them of not giving a shit about global warming?

Reply to
Tim Streater

Might I suggest that the trans-European mercy dash is not a use case that many people need to take into consideration in their automotive purchases? And if they do, I'm sure they will find a suitable vehicular niche to meet their needs.

Theo

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Theo

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