I could get a flexible drill or drill at an angle, but any other creative solutions?
I'd use a very long drill bit so you can place the bulk of the drill some way back and still come in fairly tight to the wall. I have a 1m drill bit for that kind of job.
FWIW, I don't much like the look of trunking, and if it were me; I'd route a channel in the skirting (or the wall) the depth of the cable then make good with filler.
Makes sense, I'll give that a go. I've got some long bits in the shed somew here.
It is a temporary measure, next time we redecorate the room I'll go all the way and chase then replaster the wall, but for the time being it's the bes t looking with the least amount of effort. D Line trunking isn't too bad lo oking, the price isn't worth it, though. I wouldn't buy it again.
If you haven't already make sure you have done this properly, there are some hefty tax implications, mainly Capital Gains Tax. HMRC have the transfer of property (or other assets) very much sown up so they get a cut and the rules are anything but simple and changee all the time as HMRC plays "whack a mole" with any loop holes people find.
If only your father was on the deeds when you got added to them, you technically had a Capital Gain of 50% of the value of the house at that time. You should have paid CGT on that, I think. CGT is normally only applicable at selling of an asset and only on the selling price less cost price. But if you didn't buy your share it then becomes a "gift" and several new cans of worms are opened.
Bear in mind that lofts get very hot in the summer. I wouldn't be surprise to see 50 C ambinet...
Your target is further back than the face of the wall, get a drill long enough to reach the target point and drill horizontally but at an angle to the right hand wall.
I also see you have torous skirting that goove at the tip of the arrow "trunking" can hide a cable quite well but held with cable staples not hammer in clips. Example:
dd some extra cat5e to the master telephone socket from the attic, becau se next thing is to move our telephone line over to VoIP, as part of my company we do VoIP we have some SIP trunks from BT wholesale, so I can s ave £16.99 a month for line rental with Virgin Media by just using a S IP trunk and get cheaper rates. Virgin Media actually use VoIP anyway to get you the phone line since everything is digital with the coax, somew here along the line from the exchange to the green cabinet they convert a SIP trunk to analogue to install into your home.
BT will do you a POTS line for £16.19/month. This will work when there is a local or wide area power outage.
How long will the Virgin Media cabinet run after the power fails? How long will your kit run after the local power fails? Don't bank on your mobile still working either.
TBH to be decently resilient it would be better to spend another £4.00/month for Total Care on the BT POTS line so when the line fails BT fix in within 24 hrs of the fault being reported. Faults can be logged 24/7 and repairs are made daytime, *every* day of the year.
Depending on the clearance with the other doors frame It might be easiest to come from the left. Again with a long drill bit so you can keep the drill in the doorway. Watch out for a long drill bit wandering.
A 'door frame'[ is actually a door lining about an inch or so thick around the opening, the architrave covering the joint with the wall. So you might be drilling through brick once through the architrave. Though in that location it might also just be a lump of timber.
What use case scenario are you thinking of here? If it's it won't be a disa ster if the home phone goes out, your average joe has a "power bank" for th eir phone too. It's quite unlikely power will be out long enough to drain a phone and power bank. If it does, tough. ;p
If it's a business then you should have backup power, no if's, no buts and all of the network installations I've done at small businesses I've also in cluded failover 3G internet, a very small amount of data is on those SIM's but it will work for emergencies. All of their buildings had generators and UPS's, if your building doesn't then invest in small UPS's. For businesses that use our SIP trunk service they also have access to their extensions v ia their mobiles even if power is out.
As far as I know those Virgin Media cabinets have very small batteries, so I'd say maximum half an hour to an hour of usage.
Personally, I was talking about the landline at home, which isn't urgent. I f it's down, tough. However the chances of a setup like mine being down com pared with Virgin Media (who don't give two craps about something being dow n in my local area, because there are few customers) is much higher, and sa me with BT. The likeliness of a VoIP setup being down even close to 24 hour s is quite low, compared with a POTS unless is a local fault in the SIP tru nk endpoint.
The SIP trunk that my company provides is from BT starts at BT's Reading da ta centre which will almost certainly have backup power and technicians sta ndby if there's any issue, software, hardware or electrical. The SIP trunk then makes its way through lots of redundant fibre to a data center we are tenants of, which has two separate feeds from the national grid, UPS with a large bank of batteries, and a diesel generator that can run the building on full load for over a day. That's not to say there will never be issues, it's often the case that generators fail because they haven't been maintain ed or the automatic switching mechanism screws up somehow, it's happened bu t there are always engineers on standby so the amount of downtime will very limited.
That's ignoring the cost, Virgin Media charge £16.99 for line rental on their basic package for phones which doesn't include free minutes or the li kes. The average VoIP will also charge a similar rate for a SIP trunk but t he way my company is billed, is that we have a fixed price for a large bloc k of numbers and we get charged on the usage at BT Wholesale rates, so esse ntially if I were to use a SIP trunk I'd save £16.99/month. Most VoIP pro viders do charge 'line' rental for VoIP although there are some that follow a similar model to my companies where it's a low rental, I believe AA ISP is one of them.
In any case, with the SIP trunk setup I'm moving to, I should have better u ptime than a POTS for the reasons I've mentioned about the data centre and the fact that I have a nice backup power system at home, a nice beefy inver ter with some marine batteries - I don't have an automatic switching mechan ism but it's better than nothing. I do have a UPS I could use while switchi ng over, but nothing is that important at home. Now obviously if the intern et goes out too my pfSense router will failover to mobile internet, so no p hone disruption. ;-)
Obviously VoIP isn't for everyone, but if you can have someone set it up it 's well worth the saving, at home or even more saving in a business because you can use virtual PBX's and voice mailing, access extensions on your pho ne, have unified networking etc.
My grammar is all over the place > If you haven't already make sure you have done this properly, there
Yeah, I became aware of that after it happened. It was given as a gift, but the whole process was done by a lawyer so I didn't think much of it at the time.
I'm not too worried about the cat5e, if it melts, which is unlikely I'll just recable it, no biggie. I'd be more worried about the twin and earth cable that I'd be running up there, although 50 C shouldn't kill it. The whole thing is a bodge anyway. ;-)
Hard when you have 3 cables, explained somewhere above why I need 3 cables.
It's not cables melting that is the issue. It would need to be a lot hotter for that
It's the electronic kit that might not like it, as at that sort of temp there is a real risk of overheating and failing
Yep, especially as it has been mentioned that the switch going up there is a "beefy" managed one. I'm imagining a 1 or 2 U rack mounted thing with several little screamer fans on the back that struggles to keep itself cool enough with ambient much above 25 C.
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BTDTGTTS, we also got a lawyer/solicitor to make the arrangements to transfer our parents house to us. Needless to say it wasn't done according to the rules at the time and we very nearly got lumbered with 20k or so CGT. It was trying to workout what we should have done, what we could do now and which holes to squeeze through meant we didn't. But that was mostly down to my accountant being a tax specialist. Made him really think and have to dig through the rules and get second opinions.
Yer average run of the mill solicitor isn't really up to the job as far as "gifts" and tax are concerned. Who ever you use needs to be practising tax specialist to stand any chance of getting it right.
One in the groove, one along the top of the half round, one along the top. With staples not hammer in clips, they are what makes a cable run stand out.
I am aware cables don't just melt in that ambient temperature. ;-)
The switch is a Juniper EX3200, it's all old equipment from my companies da ta center deployment, this one doesn't have any 10Gig ports so isn't much u se to me anymore. It still is a really good switch but on eBay you can pick some up for under £300, when they were originally worth over £800.
Anyway, it only has one fairly big blower style fan in the case then some s mall screamers in the power supply modules. I'll see how the temperature is , the unit will obviously turn itself off it it can't handle the heat, at t he very least I'll have plenty of SNMP graphs to take a look at.
I'll see how it goes, it's not ideal but that switch is loud and the attic is the only place where it won't be heard. The attic does have vents and do esn't get all that hot during the summer. Worst comes to worst I can bring in larger fans or perhaps an extractor fan of some sorts.
If the 'net is down here I don't half get it in the neck from the family. Well worth £4/month for Total Care. BT is the only available provider of the local loop, even if there was I've yet to find a provider that offers a service level approaching Total Care.
Anyway a powered up phone may as well be a chocolate teapot if the cell(s) you might be able to access have no power.
e > also included failover 3G internet, a very small amount of data is o n
Your making the assumption that the mobile networks will be operational under power fail conditions. Very few cell sites have much in the way fo backup power.
Just about enough to tide it over a locked out auto-recloser and, if possible, power restored via an alternative route setup by the DNO's manually operating switchs within the distibution network. If the cell/cabinet is powered from the section with the fault I doubt it'll last the 6 hours or so most faults take to trace and clear.
VOIP requires a 'net connection. How is the provisioned? I assume VM who you have just stated don't care a monkeys. At least with BT and Total Care you have the Service Level Agreement on your side. In my experience BT do jump when you report a fault on a line with Total care. Even to the extent of pulling an engineer of a job 40 miles away when the first one couldn't fix it.
What about the single point of failure the data link from you to the 'net.
Assuming the mobile network(s)m are still working. a POTS line is a physical connection back to the exchnage that has BFO batteries and even the "garden shed" exchanges out in the sticks have generator exhausts sticking out of them. The POTS network is very resilient. And even if the mobile network is still up it could well be unuseable due to being overloaded by everyone using their mobiles for voice/data/WHY.
I have VOIP as well as the BT POTS but then the POTS is the only way to get the data connection for the VOIP... I've can use VOIP from my mobile phone but the delay is really bad, but at least the codecs are better. IMHO mobiles for voice are only just useable with the combination of delay and Dalek crossed with Donald Duck codecs
I do have a feeling you havn't really thought through all the "what if's" and tracked down all the Single Points of Failure.
If they start;!..
All small businesses? I only know of one out of the 30 we deal with!
As long as there're decent ones that is..
They do have a bloke and van and inbuilt generator out pretty quickly we've only been off service for the BB three times sine 1996 and the phone never!.
Yes do they really have those?, the one in Telecity the other week didn't:(
I think some packages do now.
Yep we use it over VM Cable;)
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How long did it Take BT effing T to sort out a cable in a duct the other month that we use at a distant site, around 10 days off-line;(...
Yes, that's certainly a problem which is why I said it doesn't make sure th at power never goes out. Even if the generators are kept warm they struggle to start up or faults develop because they've been idle for so long.
I don't know if you've visited a data centre before but as long as you're n ot in someone's back shed which they call a data centre they will all have large enterprise units. They don't often fail, from what I've seen it's usu ally the most odd combination of issues that actually cause outages, not ju st a bad UPS for example.
Of course not all, but at least in London most small businesses in office b uildings have generators in the basements.
I haven't done many installations in my time, as it isn't a day job for me and I haven't really dealt with shops and the like (you can work my age out somewhere in this thread). So far I've only focused on the infrastructure and backend side of servers, networking and the like. I have only been on a few installations so far as a small time freelance, which is separate to t he hosting and infrastructure business of mine.
Yeah, I'll give Virgin that their van service is fairly good, they'll come out at the oddest times to fix issues.
The phones have never had problems either, once they are set up properly in the first place.
Which Telecity data centre? They own a fair few data centres, Telehouse Nor th does have two feeds, I have a rack there with A+B power.
Just to make it clear, I'm aware Telehouse != Telecity but was using as an example of a major data centre in roughly the same area before people start waving their hands over the place. Most major facilities do have two feeds,
As far as I know Telecity Harbour Exchange has two feeds from the national grid, if you were referring to that place.
Total care on the line? What was the problem? Farmer digging a ditch just choping through it or pikeys yanking 400 yards of cable out and BT finding the duct collapsed when they come to push the drain rods through to get a draw rope in.
With the former when that happened here BT had fixed it almost before I'd noticed. The latter requiring groundworks does slow things down and Total Care or not a 400 yard spark gap is going to be a problem. If it's fairly chunky cable, 200 pair say it'll take the best part of a day to joint it, thats' assuming there is enough left in each chamber to joint to and the lengths each side don't have to be replaced as well.
Good grief how much power does the place take! IIRC Anything below
125 kV is the DNO not National Grid. It's also been known for "two independant diveresly routed feeds" to end up at the same primary substation. They ought to go to seperate primary substations but that can be Fing expensive. Our primary is 3 miles away, the next nearest (on our DNO's patch) is 15 miles away. There might be a nearer one but that would be on a different DNO, which probably wouldn't a be a Good Idea. Two live feeds on a DNO's patch one of which they don't have direct control of, recipe for fried linesman.Get cable of the colour of the paint in each room?
Build a ceiling high cupboard and cable through there ?
A long (2 feet?) thin sds masonary bit will drill up through the ceiling, but dont hit an electric cable!
With steam and water and patience it is possible to lift up a section of wall paper, then groove behind there for your cable, polyfilla, then wallpaper back.
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My son works in a place which has 2 independent feeds _and_ diesels. And a black site if that all fails.
A bank can lose a lot of money quickly...
Andy
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