It happened again today as it has happened countless times before three
vehicles approach at the same time and all stop at the give way line at
a three way mini roundabout....we all sit there wondering who has right
of way...so feck it I blasted on around leaving them sitting....fed up
with everybody stopping and wondering who should go....any body else
found this? ....
On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 15:50:49 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
I would do just what you did, on the basis that 'he who hesitates is
lost'. I take the view that no one wants to have their car dented,
and they'll more than likely give way to me if I take the initiative.
Priority to anyone *already**on* the roundabout (which I agree is hard
with a mini). So if someone has not yet reached the dotted line then I
enter the roundabout.
The question to ask yourself is whether the person (to your right) at
or near the roundabout would have to take evasive action (i.e. operate
the brakes or steering) if you enter.
"If you're not able to ask questions and deal with the answers without feeling
that someone has called your intelligence or competence into question, don't
So all three arrive at the roundabout and all stop because they see someone
else to their right that they will have to give way to. No-one is on the
roundabout. Two of the three both think "bugger this - I'm going" at the
same time, with the result that the one on the right will hit the one to his
left, and it will be the latter's fault. IN America, people are probably
more used to remembering the order that they arrived, since it is the way
that the same deadlock is broken with four-way stop junctions, but in the
UK, few people can remember what order they arrived at a roundabout: I know
I wouldn't have a clue and rely entirely on giving way to the car on the
I suppose the way out of it is for one of the drivers to wave on the one on
his left, to say "I know I have priority over you, but I'll let you go to
break the deadlock". And once the first person has gone, the one on his left
(and your right) can go, and then you can go. The problem with that is
motivation: who wants to give way, knowing that it will make hem the last
car to go? But at least there is a positive signal - and anything is better
than no signal, which leads to indecision. Of course there will always be
some nutter who will give a clear wave-on or headlamp flash, and will then
set off and hit the other person deliberately to claim whiplash compensation
:-( The Highway Code desperately needs an "I will wait for you" signal. Not
flashing of headlamps, if that is already intended to mean a visible version
of the horn "Watch out! I'm here!", but *something* - flash a big green
light between the headlamps - anything!
Which is a complete pigs ear. The French had this due to Priorite a
droite. So everyone can enter the roundabout and anyone already on it
has to give way to people entering.
Spotted the obvious flaw with this?
The roundabout at the Arc de Triomphe comes to mind.
If your experiment needs statistics, you ought to have done a better experiment.
No. Under such circumstances you would be expected to set off slowly in
anticipation of having to stop again immediately.
Insurance companies would normally declare such incidents as 50/50 blame.
Unless two people decide simultaneously (to within some tolerance) to set
off at the same time: mini roundabouts are so small that in the time it
takes to set off, recognise that someone else has also done so and is
blocking your path, and braking to a halt, a collision has occurred.
I think that is the situation that the OP was referring to: everyone waits
for someone else, then when no-one moves, more than one person thinks "sod
this, if no-one's moving, I'll go first", and you have a collision.
This problem can happen in a communications network when two devices try to
talk at the same time and "hear" each other. Fortunately there is a way of
resolving this: "back off, wait a *random* time, and retry" - the crucial
thing being the random element so both don't try to talk again at the same
Not at all. If everyone has come to a stop, when setting off, you'd all
be going slowly and cautiously, just in case, so stopping is easy enough.
I've found it more of a problem at a crossroads with give-ways on each
arm. At the worst it has been a case of stop-start-stop-start again -
mildly irritating, but no real danger.
I did contact the council about this junction. It is a simple
crossroads, with a no-entry on the North arm. Originally, there were
give-ways on the East and West. Apparently there were problems with
people coming from the South, not noticing the no-entry signs and going
straight ahead to the North, so the council decided that a give-way on
the North and South would cause them to slow and look more. The
residents to the West didn't want to lose the East-West give-ways, as
they thought it slowed traffic, so the council made it a 4-way give-way.
I pointed out that a simple bollard with no-entry on it blocking the
left side of the North arm would have been far more reliable and would
have prevented the stop-start problems, but councils have their own
Which is basically what drivers do - but hopefully as pre-collision
detection, rather than collision detection :)
Which is the same in the UK. It *is* a form of priority to the right, as
the traffic coming around the roundabout is approaching from your right,
just not the same sort as some countries that drive on the right have!
It is just that the way it is promoted in the UK reinforces "give way to
the right" when the reality is that people on the right approaching
the roundabout have no such right.
We still have such people here with road rage occurring often.
The reality is,whether we agree or not, first in has the right of way
and anyone on the right that has not entered has not.
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