Reichstag Fire: 102 minutes that changed America

Sep 08, 2009 127 Replies

Most of 9/11 is readily explained.

WTC was a tube, with relatively poor adherence of fire protective coatings. Sufficient columns were severed, extreme heat did the rest, same reason "steel shed" universal beams fold like liquorice during fires. Future high rise will rely on a concrete reinforced core so fire rating in terms of structural collapse is vastly better.

The other buildings were unique construction re housing multiple TX re substation and backup diesel storage.

The only peculiar part of 9/11 is why the military exercise was delayed a day until 9/11.

The only peculiar part of Iraq invasion is that the New American Century had called for it, and even Alan "Bubble Magoo" Greenspan states the invasion was to realise oil assets that Saddam was letting rot thereby producing an even worse oil spike & induced recession in a credit bubble era "on Bush's watch" than we actually had. Plus of course republican admin usually coincide with wars and democrat admin usually coincide with deficit expansion. Bush of course managed to expand everything in the wrong direction. He did something right though, just can't remember what it is right now.

China is seizing much of Africa and cheap (& increasingly disgruntled) labour re commodity reserves, along with now buying commodity companies around the West. West meanwhile is not only ensuring energy supply but agricultural supply via imperialism.

So nothing much changed then.

The only likely "viable" part of 9/11 is that someone or some in the USA "looked the other way" re New American Century crowd. They needed a fundamental change and historic Princeton/Cambridge thinking is you never call for a war, you let events force the people to call for one. You cry the people are being attacked. Nothing changed then, same s*it, different era, different day.

Happens all the time in industrial warehousing with flammable chemicals inside.

Would happen all the time to any steel frame building if there wasn't 45 minute fire protection mandated.

IIRC it was about 45 minutes after the planes hit that the buildings went down..

I canniot recall a plane crash leaving more, actually. A 5 storey mound of rubble.

Have you ever in your life made anything add up? to the generally recognised correct answer?

Its already been modelled. It behaved as predicted and in accordance with what happened.

At least my penis will survive intact.

65,000 litres of aviation fuel
65,000 litres of aviation fuel

65,000 litres of aviation fuel + 400mph = a conspiracy theory

In my job I often bend steel. I heat part of it up red hot with a little flame and then I can bend it with my gloved hands, or I can squash it with a hammer. A steel framed building just has to get red hot and the steel will bend. A fire lasting half an hour would easily heat it red hot. Nobody should have gone into those buildings after half an hour.

That's why the fire protection is intended to last for 45 minutes, to give those that can time to get out.

speshly a gang nailed one .......

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investigation into the risks of an aircraft crashing into a nuclear power plant.

A single storey building doesn't require any fire resistance .......

You've surely seen the train (Class 55 I think it was, or a 45?) ploughing into the UK nuclear flask?

You seen the subsequent claims from greenpeace that it was all rigged, and part of a conspiracy? What utter crap.... :P

Novel way to recycle obsolete aircraft....

I think that is basically what I was saying.

Well why not try to find some rather than just going on hearsay which is what you seem to be doing. There is a huge amount of stuff available on the internet, from both sides of the argument and much of it is actually quite sensible. Although not much of that is on the conspiracy side though! Cheers Jeff

regarding the wtc, what you say about the trusses may be valid, but it doesn't have anything to do with any of the conspiracy theories

Sadly though the impact force from a large airline was enough to shake most of the fire protection loose as well. The original design specs didnt allow for an aircraft at full speed hitting it - they went, quite sensibly for a lost aircraft at approach speed hitting it by mistake and engineered for that instead.

There was an excellent documentary on a couple of years ago which clearly showed why the towers fell, I wish they would repeat it.

WRONG - many plane crashes leave next to nothing, one a few years ago , a 737 had an in flight fire when emergency oxygen units being carried caught fire. The crash from a vertical dive left a small crater and few if any large pieces, no human remains bigger than a thumb.

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Only if you *want* to find something.

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