Reichstag Fire: 102 minutes that changed America



That situation would not have occurred if the architects and engineers had done their job properly. High-rise buildings, where escape by stairs is impractical, are required to have segregation to prevent the spread of fire, and fire lifts, emergency lighting and other services which will continue working no matter what, to allow escape.
Of course these won't help if the building suffers catastrophic structural failure, but that had never happened before to a skyscraper, and short of a nuclear explosion, is only going to happen with the planned use of demolition charges throughout the structure...
There are a lot of unanswered questions about the 11th September "attacks", look up the 'Reichstag Fire', we've been there before.
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There's a simpler explanation, they are usually right.
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alexander.keys1 wrote:

Speak for yourself, buffoon
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The higher above GL you build the more dangerous it becomes ....
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That situation would not have occurred if the architects and engineers had done their job properly. High-rise buildings, where escape by stairs is impractical, are required to have segregation to prevent the spread of fire, and fire lifts, emergency lighting and other services which will continue working no matter what, to allow escape.
Of course these won't help if the building suffers catastrophic structural failure, but that had never happened before to a skyscraper, and short of a nuclear explosion, is only going to happen with the planned use of demolition charges throughout the structure...
There are a lot of unanswered questions about the 11th September "attacks", look up the 'Reichstag Fire', we've been there before.
It doesn't help when there is a controlled demolition as with 119. A missile ht the Pentagon, one plane was shot down and another building dealing with emergencies was surrounded in mystery. Why would the Government deliberately kill so many people? Did they really need this as an excuse to continue with a war?
I thought the film was rubbish.
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Maybe, maybe not, who can really say as there is no precedent to compare it to. But what they say still makes a hell of a lot more sense than some of the crackpot conspiracy theories that are out there. Cheers Jeff
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Jeff Lawrence wrote:

It is now widely accepted that the attack on Pearl Harbour was engineered by the Americans, by placing the Japanese in a position with only one outcome, and ensuring the non-discovery of the progress of their attack fleet by the 'vacant seas'order, which ordered all US and allied shipping out of those waters.
IIRC a message saying something like "An attack may be expected at about 8am your time" sat in the Commanader's in tray, which he fiddled about with for an hour until the attack started.
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One of probably dozens of alerts that had previously come to nothing. Avoidable disasters happen because of incompetence and information overload
I was in NY days before 9/11 and I'd never seen such an open city, in none of the great buildings i visited was i once asked to open my shoulder bag or searched, at the time i thought to myself what a soft target the city was
When i few from LaGuardia to Atlanta (for $25) i could have paid by cash and called myself Saddam Hussein. Like during Pearl Harbour the US was on a complacent peace footing.
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Quite, I've seen people walk right up to the gates to meet people; folks checking in guns, knives, hunting vests and ammo right on the tarmac on internal flights to the states. I've also met a couple of academics from the university that taught the Saudi boys how to take off. At the same conference met a Saudi academic who was be moaning the fact that no young Saudis wanted to go to university since daddy owned an oil well and all the had to do was go to prayers and spend the rest of the day drifting. Foreign infidels do all the work for them.
Hindsight is a glorious thing.
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Jeff Lawrence wrote:

Granted - but here's the basics:
No steel framed building has EVER collapsed due to fire before 9/11, or since. Yet we're expected to believe that at least THREE did that day.
No plane crash has ever left as little wreckage as any of these four crashes that day.
Something definately doesn't add up somewhere.
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Compared to what? The last time an airliner full of fuel flew into a skyscraper?

... which may just be that too many people are trying to make 2 + 2 equal 5.
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It's hard to take these conspiracists seriously when they keep coming up with arguments like this one about the plane wreckage. Arguments that have been easily been shown to be ridiculous time and time again. Even now this Yeti is trying to make out that there were no parts found outside the Pentagon when there are many photos disproving this, which have been around since just after the incident happened. Or that certain things shouldn't have happened the way they did when there is no way of knowing exactly what should or shouldn't have happened because such things have never happened before. The only way to know for sure would be to build an exact replica of the towers, crash an exact replica of the plane into them in exact the same way and see what happens. Cheers Jeff
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Jeff Lawrence wrote:

What parts were found outside the pentagon?
Given the size of the hole - how did the other parts make it INSIDE?
Actually - there is some evidence (anecdotal, like most on both sides of this case) that the WTC was suceptable to fire damage - firstly, it was built with central beams with concrete covered trusses in between them and the outer sides (firefighter's motto - never trust a truss).
Secondly, there is video footage of an inspection of the trusses in the towers from years before - showing several areas where the fire retardant on them was either inadequate or non existant.
Like I said - I don't have the answers - just there's plenty of things that don't add up.
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speshly a gang nailed one .......
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Well why not try to find some rather than just going on hearsay which is what you seem to be doing. There is a huge amount of stuff available on the internet, from both sides of the argument and much of it is actually quite sensible. Although not much of that is on the conspiracy side though! Cheers Jeff
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regarding the wtc, what you say about the trusses may be valid, but it doesn't have anything to do with any of the conspiracy theories
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On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 07:28:01 -0700 (PDT), Jeff Lawrence

Sssh, Someone at the BBC might read that and comission a second seriesw of The Big Bang Theory.
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Mike Plowman wrote:

I hope you're joking.
The Big Bang Theory was on channel 4, and there's already been a second series - the third's coming soon.
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Most of 9/11 is readily explained.
WTC was a tube, with relatively poor adherence of fire protective coatings. Sufficient columns were severed, extreme heat did the rest, same reason "steel shed" universal beams fold like liquorice during fires. Future high rise will rely on a concrete reinforced core so fire rating in terms of structural collapse is vastly better.
The other buildings were unique construction re housing multiple TX re substation and backup diesel storage.
The only peculiar part of 9/11 is why the military exercise was delayed a day until 9/11.
The only peculiar part of Iraq invasion is that the New American Century had called for it, and even Alan "Bubble Magoo" Greenspan states the invasion was to realise oil assets that Saddam was letting rot thereby producing an even worse oil spike & induced recession in a credit bubble era "on Bush's watch" than we actually had. Plus of course republican admin usually coincide with wars and democrat admin usually coincide with deficit expansion. Bush of course managed to expand everything in the wrong direction. He did something right though, just can't remember what it is right now.
China is seizing much of Africa and cheap (& increasingly disgruntled) labour re commodity reserves, along with now buying commodity companies around the West. West meanwhile is not only ensuring energy supply but agricultural supply via imperialism.
So nothing much changed then.
The only likely "viable" part of 9/11 is that someone or some in the USA "looked the other way" re New American Century crowd. They needed a fundamental change and historic Princeton/Cambridge thinking is you never call for a war, you let events force the people to call for one. You cry the people are being attacked. Nothing changed then, same shit, different era, different day.
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In recent history, Democrat presidents have coincided with deficit shrinking, and Republican ones with deficit expansion.
(The current banking fun'n'games makes it an interesting time for the current one though)
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