Re: OT Gaming of petitions - the official response

And you believe that?

After everything the government has done?

It has repeatedly and blatantly lied about every single aspect of Brexit.

You may think you are smart and you are the one who has the facts because you listened to an 'expert'...You just cannot concieve how crooked and corrupt and to what depths the forces you support will stoop to, to keep their hand on the power.

You are a silly sheep on its way to the slaughterhouse.

An Iranian expalined Iran to me "We had the Shah, and we wore bikinis and we listened to pop music and sunbathed and watched Western Films, but the Shah took a lot of oil money so we got rid of him and then some mullah no one had heard of was running the government and no more of anything good, it was all s*it, so I left. And the Mullahs still run Iran."

You want to see an end to democracy. You may yet see your wish granted and by god you will live to regret it.

Lines have been crossed and polticas will never be the same. We will become under your politics a colony of a totalistarian state that will go down and be overrun by anyone they care to use to replace you.

There is a reason why we had democracy. Now we have relinquished it, a very dark age awaits us.

Unhinged. Tragic. TW

Proxy servers.

Mobile devices are ten thousand to one IP address.

Ultimately the only way to validate is to see if every single postcode actually contains someone of that name and then phone them up and ask them 'did you vote'

The internet is full of names and postcodes, anonymising servers are cheap, abd multiple email addresses are free.

Oh yeah? why NOT?

Meaningless statement. Trust me. I won't come in your mouth.

Ther are two or three areas which I know far berfter thanb any politician. One is electrical engineering and another is IT and a third is the philsophy of scince.

In every area the government has lied.

May:

"Leave means leave". Lie. Leave means stay in under worse terms. "Control over our borderes" Lie. "Freedom to govern our pen vcountry" Lie. "We will leave on March 29th" Lie.

You dont need to be paranoid to see when your government is lying to you, you just need an ounce of intelligence.

Sadly it seems you dont have that

Do you REALLY think they are going to do that?

search a 70million database of names and addresses? 10,000 an hour?

From a data protection standpoint

I would bloody well hope that for something as trivial as a validating a petition they did NOT go around checking against any government databases to see if Mr Fred Smith really does live at W1A 1AA.

I think that the best that you can hope for here is a check that the total number of votes cast from W1A 1AA does not exceed the number of people who might reasonably be expected to live in the quantity/type of residential properties that that postcode covers (which for many postcodes, including my dummy one, will be zero).

Even coming close to that number suggest suspicious voting because, even if votes have been cast "honestly", it suggest a degree of coercion in the casting of those votes - a sizable percentage of the population having historically been shown not to be the slightest bit interested in entering into political debates.

tim

ISTM that we are on the way to a stitch up Customs Union.

From my pov, it actually gives me what I want from Brexit, so I should be in the don't care category here.

But from the pov of what is good for Britain, ISTM that being locked in a CU where the EU makes all the decisions about our trade with ROW and we have no say in it, is not the place that we want to put ourselves for the next 50 years as the EU further diminishes in its share of world trade and ROW trade becomes ever more important. Remainers will come to rue the day that Remoaning shenanigans forced us into this situation.

The Labour party ideal, of a CU where we are equal partners with a veto on deals that we don't like, is a unicorn that is undeliverable.

tim

You may well know more than me about the databases available to the team which handle petitions. But I am surprised - and of course delighted - if so much progress has been made since the days when departments such as DWP and HMRC had many millions of out-of-date addresses for adults.

But it isn't a vote, it's a petition so doesn't justify spending a fortune on policing it. They deftly swept the leave and remain petitions under the carpet with a joint debate on the same day, it's just lip-service, so they probably only filter out the most obvious of fake entries, so they can say they do have a filtering process, but that they can't discuss what it involves.

why would they bother?

Boom! TNP owned (again).

Cheers, T i m

But Shirley if Leaving really is the best thing for us all (and not just a wild gamble or knee jerk reaction to a load of other unrelated issues), we would *all* be voting for it wouldn't we?

What information have you been made privy that you won't share with everyone else when revealing it would only / surely strengthen your cause?

What if what you think are facts are only wild / hopeful predictions and you have got it all wrong?

For us to really leave the EU with any conviction, more than 1/3rd of the electorate needed to have voted for it and they didn't.

~3 years later we are no better informed re how much better (if at all) our futures might be outside the EU.

OOI, are you proud to be part of a campaign that used blatant lies to try to trick the great unwashed into voting for it?

Wouldn't that normally be called a scam and appear on Watchdog?

Present the facts that would demonstrate to 'most people' beyond reasonable doubt (as most don't want to be worse off and risk losing their jobs or houses just to satisfy the whim of a minority) that us Leaving the EU *will* (have a very good chance of) be(ing) better for 'most people' and you will have all the support and you wanted.

It wouldn't be support for your (minority) cause, it would be what 'the people' actually wanted!

Peasy eh?

Cheers, T i m

To (almost) quote Marylebone Rice Pudding "They would say that, wouldn't they?"

Surely you mean Marzipan Rice Tart?

He's bonkers!

That argument could equally well be applied to staying in

You seem you be assuming that staying in is not without its dis-benefits, that's dishonest

tim

Yes as I keep on saying like a broken bit of shellac, since people were lied to in the run up to the last referendum, the least we should expect is an explanation of all the offers on the table including staying in and let us make our minds up, however it should be null and void if a significant number spoil the vote or do not bother to vote at all. MY reasoning is that I have extensive knowledge of what happens in consultations by councils and other bodies. You usually get less than 10 percent take up and you then make a decision. As soon as its implemented all the people who never put their opinion in start creating a stink and its not always possible to say, but you were told and were asked so tough. This has just happened about resident parking permits here. It was put out to consultation last year that they wanted to base charges on the pollution generation of the vehicles owned who needed a permit. Now it was accepted by the consultation that this as fair. Now some householders have got a bill for double what they had last year, its the boot on the other foot. You cannot be green unless it costs you money. Brian

Now post a list of all the lies your pal Farage and his pals on the leave campaign made before the referendum.

And don't give the excuse they were merely predictions. Because so was May saying leave means leave, etc.

my (soon to be moved to) council have just asked me this

and I said "No, it's not fair"

I have no dog in the fight (I.e. I won't be owing a car at that location),

IMHO it just isn't right that local councils should go around dictating social engineering this way

that's for National governments to do

tim