Re: [CC] UN: Climate disaster predictions from 30 years ago

Aug 06, 2019 Last reply: 7 years ago 7 Replies
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> >>>> The interesting thing about the AP article is that much of what was said


>>>> was in the form of quotes rather than words that had been jiggled about.
>>> As I pointed out in the two examples I gave, quotes can often bear
>>> little or no relationship to what was actually said. I've also seen
>>> articles based on press statements that have been so mangled that they
>>> also bear no relevance to the original statement.
>> But, on the other hand, no specific reason has been advanced to doubt
>> the provenance of the information in that particular AP article.
> That article was correct. It is backed up in a book both I and Graham have read, "Losing Earth: The Decade We Could Have Stopped Climate Change", by Nathaniel Rich, 20119.

Thanks for confirming the article was correctly founded - it means we can put an end to the 'mis-reporting by the media' line of argument that was initially used to cast doubt on it.


If we had taken action in 1980 and 1990 we could have prevented the disasters that have only just begun, with record temperatures, floods, and wildfire spreading throughout the world, not to mention the immigration crises affecting both Europe and the USA, and sea level rise accelerating.

i thought the lag in Al Gore's day was 800 years rather than the 30 to


40 you suggest - but didn't he have the graph the wrong way round, with temperature rise following the CO2 rise? The Vostock ice-cores confirmed that CO2 lags temperature rather than leading it.

Al gores movie should have been called 'a most convenient lie' There was so much bad science and plain wrong science in it that it was a glaring indication that what was going on was not a dangerous truth being revealed but a very nasty agenda...

And there you have it, when you catch out the Establishment lying to you, and you know they are lying to you, and you know they know they are lying to you, its pretty scary.

Like I said, the day they abandon air travel, sell their beachfront properties and agitate to build and all nuclear gird is the day I will believe them.

They know however that they are lying and therefore there is no need.

Back in the mid-noughties the Met Office published a document about global warming (as it was called then), and in its many pages there was a diagram illustrating 12 forcing mechanisms and the then current state of scientific knowledge of each one. Only one of these was shown as being understood to a 'good' level. That was CO2, of course. Eight, yes

*eight*, of the other levels were shown as having *very low* levels of understanding. In scientific terms, if one wants to construct a model of climate and its forcings, the above essentially means that the inputs to the models are little more than a guessing game, and it is small wonder that they have predicted nothing - not even the current thermopause.

Well said. See also this

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In the mid 1970s they were predicting an ice age.

Oh dear. The ones who were predicting an ice age were basing their forecast on climate cycles. They ignored the effects of CO2. They were the denialists of that era. They were wrong then and the denialists are still wrong.

I head it was a mini iceage like we had in the 1800s not like the one of 15K years ago. A miniicage is more like a cooloing persiod like we have been having in the last 10K years every few 100 years. The mini version only lowers the average temperature by a few degrees. Which we won;lt notice if humans or cows have been responsible for a few degrees higher temerature than the average.

But when we come out of a mini ice age, will get the few degs warmer and another few because of humans, which will make the new average teperature much higher.

That's the problem. Just by chance they got it roughly right at that time, but then it all went t*ts up and hasn't been anywhere near right since, i.e. for the last twenty years. But they couldn't bear to give up what seemed a promising idea to start with and have been alarming the world with horrendous predictions, exaggerations and fake news ever since, in order to keep the windmills turning and the research funds coming in.

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