Having just had the garden shed broken into and a fair load of power
tools nicked, he thought has occurred that the ideal place to put a more
secure place for lawnmowers etc would be over the new Klargester
shittank, which (with appripoate removeable flooring for
emptying/service etc.) and block contsruction would be
- closer to the house (tea leafs did the other one whilst we were in the
- disguise an eyesore
- have electricity available for lights, the odd power tool, and some
anti-theft measures - light duty only obviously.
- if made of rendered block, be more substantial and thief proof than
What are the relevant issues of planning and/or building regs attached
to a not-so-temporary structure, and siting it over a shit tank?
If you can make it satisfy the rules on "permitted development":
Then you won't need PP. You won't need building regs because
it's an uninhabbited outbuilding.
As for building it on top of you tank - I don't know. Gut
feeling says it's would be fine, but I don't much like the sound
Talk to Klargester about the ground loading over the tank. We have
a Klargester under a flower bed in the front garden, and the only thoughts
I've had about it is the amount of damage that would be caused if it
ever had to be dug up.
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On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 13:04:44 +0100, a particular chimpanzee named
I remember a Building Regs application for a commercial joinery
workshop sited directly over a septic tank. We went through the
requirements with a fine-tooth comb, as did Environmental Health, but
we could find nothing which expressly prohibited it.
"You know, I'd rather see this on TV,
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:39:19 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Wouldn't it be bettet to actually talk to your local Building
Inspectors? That way you stand the chance of getting an authorative
answer, instead of some of the half-baked (and quite possibly incorrect)
opinions you'll get here!
What exactly is the point of replies like this? There have been
a few of these lately, and IMO they add no value whatsoever to a
When someone asks a question like this one, it's far more polite
to assume that they've considered where to ask, and concluded
that uk.d-i-y is a good starting point - whatever their reasons
are. It isn't very polite to just assume that they're clueless
and therefore haven't considered asking the relevant BC/planning
The point is right there in what I said. Some posters can and do give
good advice, but some answers are crap advice. In the end the guy is
going to have to satisfy his local building inspector, take a chance
that Building Regs approval isn't required or again take a chance, go
ahead anyway and find out at some later date that there was something or
other that he should have done. The answer I gave him was a good and
sensible one. Talk to the people you'll have to satisfy.
Not wishing to make rude comments about the poster who asked the
original question, but it does seem that there is a tendency for people
to sit at their keyboard and dash off a question without doing any
*apparent* research at all. Perhaps that's why there are an increasing
number of 'replies like this', as you quite aptly put it. I'm all for
helping people out with the benefit of my own experience where relevant,
but I don't subscribe to doing the donkey work for them.
In the end, how people phrase their questions will elicit differing
You have used judicious snipping to deliberately misrepresent what I
said in an attempt to to make a point about which you appear to have
have only an opinion and no knowledge.
It would have given him a definitive answer. You seem to have difficulty
in accepting that simple fact.
Oh dear, you're having to sink to the level of the playground to sustain
your argument. Whether you like it or not, I did have something to say,
something that would give him a definitive answer. No opinions, no
disinformation, no gut feelings. (Does that phrase ring a bell?)
I know the ruddy building regs almost backwards, and tehre is nothing in
them that says you can't build over a shit tank, but I thought I'd check
here as well.
I also needed a pointer to relevant planning and have gor it.
It would seem that you can't erect a rabbit hutch more than 10Cum
without planning permission.
I can't see any reference to garden sheds as such. This would seem to
imply that 99% of garden shads are technically in breach of planning regs.
Hence my questions.
Perhaps the difficulty is that a BCO has a role of both providing
information and enforcement. In any complex situation there are going to be
grey areas and issues of interpretation. If you receive advice from this
group prior to a meeting with a BCO you are more likely to be able to
intelligently argue your case. Of course some opinions in this group may be
half-baked - but it is usually possible to identify these from other
responses which are well argued and point to factual information.
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First off I declare ignorance of septic tank issues, however a query
from the curious:
Is there any chance of a build up of gases that are offensive,
corrosive or possibly inflammable/explosive, or at least a reduced O2
level? Especially if you plan on switching electricity (lights) or
using power tools. By covering this thing up you are making an
enclosure that could possibly contain these products rather than
allowing normal dilution.
According to the manufacturer in normal operation these things do not
produce any smell (how about abnormal operation?). CO2 and Methane do
not smell, however... It would be a shame to have to test for gas and
follow vessel entry procedures just to get the lawnmover out...
From the look of the things on the web there are several different
models, all with a sealed top of some sort. I don't know how gas
tight the top is.. or is there a vent somewhere?
Could make sneaking out to the shed for a cigarette dangerous to
health in the short term as well as the long term. :-)
Or act as a fairly direct deterrent to theft!
Yes, but what I was going to do was put it under a raised floor with
underfloor ventilation. And have a huge hatch to get at it.
MOSTLY its supposed to be methane free, and vent elsewhere via the
normal soil vent stack. It doesn't have a gas tight cover tho.
How it actually works is beyond me, but work it does. Very low smell -
never smelt anything at all. It just gently stirs air into the mix -
persumably allowing aerobic raher than anaerobic bacteria to strut their
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