Part P & Showers

[OldBill]

The Titantic may well have been built by pros, but it was driven by a fool

[dale hammond]

[Uno Hoo!]

But it was still claimed by the builders to be 'unsinkable' !!

Kev

[BigWallop]

But she would have been un-sinkable if it hadn't been for the un-trained people leaving all the water-tight doors open.

[Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics)]

Nonsense as usual like all your antisocial postings.

[Owain]

Now where have I heard that before ... oh yes, someone who got electric shocks off a towel rail in the kitchen wasn't it.

Whatever next, padded walls in the building regulations.

Owain

[Martin]

Totally disagree with that. Knowing all the answers is not what it's about. Recognising the ISSUES, and then seeking the answers where appropriate, is.

Would you apply your thinking to, for instance, airline pilots and withdraw their written procedures manual which they use on every flight - on the grounds that they should know it all? Or would you stop doctors checking up on alternative medicines on the same grounds? I don't think so.

[Martin]

And it would be more meaningful to have details of each of these 5. Where they are caused by amateur sparkies?

All very well said.

(and what exactly would they prefer us to die from anyway?)

[Stickems.]

A million times that cost or any cost is worth less than one life.

[RichardS]

What - the old "Safety at any price" argument?

That's a naive, dangerous and fundamentlly flawed argument, and as such is complete bollox.

[<me9]

And designed by accountants.

[Uno Hoo!]

I couldn't agree more with that. The fact that someone has to seek advice prior to commencing a job does not mean that he is not competent to do it - merely that he requires further information in order to do it properly. I've said it before and I'll say it again - in the vast majority of cases, a keen diy'er will produce a far superior job to most 'professionals'. I could fill a book with the slipshod work that has been carried out for me and friends/relatives over the years by so-called professional, garage mechanics, tow-bar fitters, kitchen installers, tilers, laminate flooring installers, etc. There *are* some perfectionist professionals out there - but sadly they are few and far between!

Kev

[Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics)]

From an unrepentant "upside-downer". What else can you expect?

[shazzbat]

SNIP

AIUI there were gaps at the top of the bulkheads allowing one flooded compartment to overflow into the next, and so on.

Steve

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[Stefek Zaba]

Nah. The figure of 5 is deaths/year from *fixed* wiring; the equipment (portable and non-portable) ones account for another 14 deaths/year. Accidents scale similarly: 576 non-fatal from fixed wiring, 1700 non-fatal from equipment. These numbers are over at

's own department admitted it loused up by using the all-electrical figures - themselves remarkably low - rather than the ones relating only to fixed wiring. That admission is buried over at 's all one line - if your browser wraps it, rebuild it). It uses figues of 2.6 deaths and 447 accidents - I don't know where the discrepancy of 5 vs 2.6 comes from.

Stefek

[Peter Crosland]

No I would not. But the way the question was worded and indeed that it was asked just emphasises that the OP does not understand the issues or the answers.

Peter Crosland

[Keith Willcocks]

And surely the professionals would have been responsible for ensuring that those who left the doors open were trained. ;o)

[Keith Willcocks]

Surely the Captain would have been a professional fool!

[Keith Willcocks]

Let's be honest. He was over promoted when he was a cabin boy ;o)