Pandora's Junction Box revisited

Mar 10, 2017 17 Replies

Well, it's been longer than expected, but I've finally got my junction box sorted out. Those of you with good memories will remember that I posted this:



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After re-arranging the earths into some sort of sanity:

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Opening the box revealed this mess:
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So, after a lot of checking I discovered that half the cables weren't connected to anything. I also found another junction box not passing through the earth - not so bad when feeding a transformer for 12V lights, but I wanted to fit mains ones. I also found another ceiling rose being used as a junction box, and a 13A socket fed from the lighting circuit - though on a shelf, so it looks like it was intended for a light. No label, though.



Having got rid of the redundent cables, removed the surplus junction boxes, and replaced both the dining room and bathroom lights, it now looks like this:



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And with the lids on:



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Everything labelled, no redundant cables, the earths connected to proper terminals (and sleeved). There's still one flaw - there's no sign of equipotential bonding in the bathroom. There's an RCD on the shower circuit, though, and the shock risk from the lights should be pretty low since they're out of reach without standing on something, so it can wait for now.



Now to find out what's in the other loft...



Mike


That looks brilliant. And to think that you were told by some that you needed a rewire.

I am looking forward to seeing the other loft.

Can't you afford a label-making machine you scruffy bastard?

Bill

I suppose it's an illusion, but the live wire, top middle cable of the middle box doesn't look like it's got any brown insulation.

Nice job - glad you got it sorted...

Yup a voyage of discovery!

A salutary lesson on keeping records of work done over different occupants! I of course cannot see the pictures, but I've found strange things in this

1939 house like wall light wires still live just inside the plaster, and two core joined in to the junction for upstairs stuff, and a weird little two pin socket inside a fitted wardrobe upstairs mysteriously connected to theback of a spur in the next room feeding a bar heater.

I'm sure it was logical at the time! Brian----

Nice. What brand/model of junction boxes are those? (I don't think I've seen them before.)

Good luck!

To be fair my labelling machine has for some reason started printing out in Russian.

So I am back on the sharpie pens until I fix it.

Which apprentice had it last and did he change the keyboard out of malice or imcompetence?

Owain

Does it translate what you enter in English or have you learnt Russian? :-)

Thanks, I'll make a note of that.

That's it - or at least that's the one on the left. The other two are Surewire SW7M-MF. There's a subtle catch with using both - they look very similar, but the order of connections for both the lights and power in/out is reversed between them.

Mike

Are those surewire boxes available un-configured for more versatile use? I'm thinking for central heating zone wiring. Mine is particularly complicated with central heating,DHW, solar thermal, a UPS and a monitoring/logging system hanging off various nodes in the wiring. Even though I started out with it quite tidy, the system has "grown" somewhat. I don't need any significant current/power capability but majority is at

240vac. Cheers Bob

Haven't you got a wiring centre? Or have you outgrown it?

I have two, one up one down with a mega cable between them but something like that surewire might help tidy up as it has more cable entry points.

No, there are only three versions. Two are the ones I used - a single switch controlling up to seven lamps, and four lamps each with their own switch. The other simply has six in/out connections connected together.

There are other versions listed on the website, and shown in the leaflet as "available November 2014", but they don't appear to be available - a five-lamp version of the multiple lamp box, two and six way versions of the single lamp box, and an eight-way splitter.

Mike

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