OT: US Election

Lol!

The defects in their rubbish system of government are too numerous to list here.

Hence the necessity among the hard of thinking, for laughter tracks and smileys.

michael adams

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?The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.? - Thomas Jefferson

Paul

And then there's nothing to compel the electoral college members to vote according to their state's result.

That's a matter of debate. Although SCOTUS has consistently refused to get involved as it's really a state issue.

I believe some states do provide a remedy for faithless electors.

But at the end of the day the electoral colleges role is a tad vague. They're supposed to act as a sane buffer to prevent populism. IN which case they've failed.

Benny Hill 1973?

His china man impression. Brian

They have had this stupid type of situation at least three times in recent memory, so I simply do not understand why they don't change things. Brian

Because, as an article of faith, they all think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

For the same reason we don't have proportional representation: Nobody can agree on which system should replace the existing one.

Almost as bad as our 'first past the post' constituency based system! :-)

I'm not talking about whether it's FPTF or Prop; that's another matter.

Democracy has never been about the will of the majority beyond it being a way to decide without bloodshed the outcome of a change of executive. The Democrats in the USA and the remainers here have driven a cart and horses through that process refusing to accept the outcomes. Now Trump has copied them.

Karma.

Eh? Last I heard we have left EU, and leave the interim arrangements at year end. How have the remainers frustrated the outcome of the leave vote?

Most democracies, would have Federal levels of election, controlled by the Federal level, uniform polling stations and polling methods used everywhere. Counting systems would be consistent. Results would still be available at slightly different times (due to scaling issues, weather, equipment failure, and so on). But the intent would be, for all parts of the country to report in at the same time.

The American system mixes State level issues and Federal level issues at the same time. The States control the polling in their area. They "forward results when they're good and ready" to the Federal level. They have some arcane method for selecting a President, that I won't look up.

To change it, would likely require Constitutional amendment, which would be virtually impossible to achieve. That's because it would require ceding authority to the Federal level. If they can't even agree on a budget for the country on a regular basis, there's no way a constitutional issue is going anywhere.

The system dates from a time, when the fastest message delivery, was a letter delivered by a postman on horseback.

You can't change anything, when "nobody has the authority to change anything". This is summed up in two words.

"States rights"

Where a lower political level, overrides Federal considerations.

If you listen to the flowery language they use in their meeting house, it would tell you all you need to know about their system. You would not need a diagram.

In Canada, we have similar divisions. But, in a meeting house, you do not introduce everything you say by accentuating the divisions. Regionality still plays a part, but is addressed specifically, as needed.

Canadian Politician: "Is is raining outside ???"

American Politician: "The Great State of Tennessee wants to know if it is raining outside."

That's the difference. That flowery language is what tells you they're doomed.

And it's their inverted governance, that produces results like this. This is a make-work project. One particular politician managed to do this. Sooner or later, this has to stop.

Paul

They haven't frustrated it any more the the democrats managed to get Trump impeached.

But in both cases it wasn't for want of trying using all the money, bought politicians media and judiciary that money and the establishment could muster.

If you remember the vote took place in 2016. A deal should have been possible in a year - but its taken 4 more years and we still are tied to the EU.

It's Turnip. Lives in his own little bubble where everyone does what he wants, regardless. No idea about the real world.

By attempting to frustrate the outcome in all ways and at all levels ever since June 2016.

Nice summary. They copied too many aspects of the British system of 1776 (except that they elect their King every four years) and then made it impossible to change.