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I changed my desk top printer.
The old one had a slot for XD memory cards and called up a Wizard for transferring photos to my PC.
The new one only takes SD/MS Duo so I bought a USB adapter. This worked but was a bit temperamental about needing the adapter plugged in before loading the card.
Suddenly this has stopped communicating with the PC.
From the plethora of adapters that google found is there a direct SD MS Duo to XD that I can plug in to the new printer?
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Hmm.. I seem to have got bigger problems than this:-(
Dragging and dropping to the desktop no longer works as expected. Stuff drags OK but disappears when dropped and only reappears after a restart!
Oh well! This might be the nudge I need to move from XP to W7.
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I took that giant step about six months ago and, to be honest, am perfectly happy with W7. Firing up an old PC still running XP looks odd, now. I have not found anything that will not run with W7, or for which drivers are not available. My version is 32 bit though, not 64. I run PSP5 which must be 20 years old, and docts and spreadsheets which started life as Lotus files, yet open perfectly with Libre.
The next dilemma is W10. There are those who love it, and those who would not touch it with a barge pole (Nein danke!). What to do?
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I'm currently jumping between XP (on this Mac Mini and my current 'daily desktop'), W7, W10 and Ubuntu and Mint (Linux). *Sometimes* I'll reboot this or one of my other Minis into OSX but only really to update them and check they still work.

Same here that I can remember (eg, there is nothing I can't do that I want to etc).

Most of mine are also 32 bit as few have much more than 4G of RAM.

I've never created much in the way of documentation or spreadsheets so never had MS Office. The last time I did create a few docs I did in WordStar 6. That said, most of the documents I do need to open I can also do in LO.

Well, I have a spattering of W10 PC's and laptops and I'd say it was ok. I think it fits in with the 'every other release is a goodun' concept (so XP, W7, W10 etc). To all intents and purposes it seems to be the same as W7 and you can still find most of the familiar stuff of / from W7- behind the new facade (that I would say I didn't use at all) if you want / need.
OOI, have you tried any of the latest Lini, like Mint or Ubuntu? If you are lucky and they run smoothly on and connect to your existing hardware (and there are no 'Windows only' programs you *need*), then it could be a an alternative (or used alongside at least)?
I just replaced the spinny HDD in my main Tosh laptop with an SSD, reinstalled W7 and upgraded it to W10 and also installed Linux Mint 17.3 dual boot. Both run equally fast but there are still loads of silly niggles that happen on Linux that don't on Windows. Like, simply accepting the 'Recommended' nVidia driver worked (sometimes it can stop the thing rebooting into a GUI) but then none of the LO programs would open? Switching back to the Open Source nVidia driver, allowed LO to open again <shrug>.
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I did it with 64 bit and found the same thing.

I don't.

I run Office 2003.

Try it and see if you like it. There are a few things that I would prefer, like being able to keep some pairs of windows paired that Win7 doesn't do. But some things that have been dropped that I still use like Media Center at times.
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On 01/05/2016 08:41, News wrote:

Win10 works better than win7, it looks different unless you put something like "classic start" on it. You can turn off the so called telemetry easily. Some are just paranoid, M$ isn't out to get them even if someone else is.
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On 01/05/16 14:48, dennis@home wrote:

So basically you have to do ten times as much deep techie stuff to get it to work than say Linux?
I thought as much.
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On 01/05/2016 14:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

So you think if you install linux and don't like the interface its easier to change it than to download and install one win10 program?
Like I said TNP is always wrong these days.
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On Sun, 1 May 2016 15:07:11 +0100, dennis@home

'If you can get Linux to install and run reliably in the first place ...

I CGAF about its interface (as long as it's not Unity <g>), I would just like it to work!

Sort of, it's fairly easy to install another DE, what's not so easy is then picking through the duplicated utilities or finding out why the menus for those utilities don't display properly etc.

It seems to be the case on many things, especially those things he thinks he knows about but doesn't really (like 'people' and 'OS's').
The PC I recently built for my inlaws that is supposed to be running Linux Mint (as their 'business machine' <gulp, what have I done) was playing up from the start, but ONLY under Mint. Windows 10, rock solid. Memtest (the memory testing utility that comes on most Linux boot DVD's), said 'no problems'. However, remove one of the 2 4G DDR3 RAM modules and Mint seems happy again! ;-)
Except, it's now crashed a few more times but the strange thing was what I thought was a duplicate PC, built by and for my mate in the PC shop to also run Mint (he has done for a few years now since I introduced it to him ... only for mail and data recovery .. it won't work with any of the iCafe software he's tried so far so can't be used on the iCafe PC's) was working fine. However, not only has that also crash out in a similar way:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5772409/MintCrash2.jpg
It turns out it's completely different hardware! (Foxconn rather than a Gigabyte motherboard, add-on rather than onboard video etc).
We are now wondering if it's something about the latest Mint (17.3) and hoping if it is, someone else has seen it and might get on with fixing it. Who do you call for support in such circumstances? Certainly not my mates supplier and probably not Gigabyte or Foxconn either? I know, I could ask the Linux geeks, except they will deny that Ling could ever go wrong and it must be my fault for how I built it or that I must hate Linux for telling the truth about what I see of it! (Ignoring the fact that I am installing it for myself and others of course).
I have now got the best part of a new machine in the way of substitute parts to swap out to see if we can find the cause. I can't say that I'm very hopeful (as W10 runs fine etc). ;-)
Cheers, T i m
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On 01/05/16 15:07, dennis@home wrote:

Yes.

Oh dear. Bless.
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On Sun, 01 May 2016 15:07:11 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

That's a rather extreme viewpoint. Better, imho, to have used the expression "TNP is *frequently* wrong these days."
TBH, TNP seems to be developing a Rod Speed-esqueness in his posting style. Quite frankly, he generates so much splash-back as an advocate, I'd rather he was *outside* my tent trying to pee in, than inside, trying to pee out.
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dennis@home.?.invalid writes

Thanks to all for the comments. I rather thought Linux would get a mention somewhere :-)
I'm tempted to just go for it, and see what happens. I've managed to get used to new MS OSs over the years, and a few months after the change, have probably forgotten what the old one looked like.
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It needs Classic Shell to give it a proper start menu with All Programs listed properly (ie as for all previous versions Win 95 .. Win 7) and to add a link to Control Panel (ie the full set of old-style apps rather than the cut-down set of Metro apps which try and fail to do the same job). That makes it usable.
There are still things missing.
The most obvious is Windows Media Centre for scheduling TV recordings - you now have to use third-party apps for that.
Also some of the options in the Control Panel apps have had functionality removed. When you hover over the network icon, you see the name of the network displayed. For wireless, this is the router's SSID, but for Ethernet is is usually something like "Network 3". On older versions (certainly up to WIn 7, and maybe also Win 8) you can go into the Netwrok and Sharing app of Control Panel, double-click on the "house" icon for "home network" and rename the network. On Win 10 that can't be done, and there's other functionality removed as well, such as the Network Map.
I'm not a great fan of the white-on-black colour scheme for the system tray (bottom RHS of screen) but that seems to be flavour of the month and some people are trying to adopt it for the whole UI of their Windows 10 PC. Fine that it should be allowed (as made easy) but not fine that it should be enforced as a default.
One thing that I really HATE is the inability to install/remove individual Windows updates which I think was something that happened between Win 8 and Win 10. I want absolute control over which updates I install, and to remove any that have slipped through the net. Suppose we get more enforced upgrades like the KB3035583 Get Windows 10 update: we'd want to be able to say "install most updates but not that one".
As with all Windows updates, the new engine and gearbox are great; just a shame that they tinkered with the controls and the dashboard instruments - to use a car analogy.
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... or to a Mac. Stuff just works, man!
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;-)
The trouble is (for many) is it (OSX) only runs a subset of the stuff (hardware and software) that's available for Windows. Most of the mainstream stuff is covered but some of the more prosaic / specialised stuff is available for Windows only. I think Apple picked up a few users when they moved to Intel processors and were then able to run Windows (and other OS's presumably) on the same hardware without the need for any visualisation (BootCamp etc, as I'm doing here right now).
Also and like with Android, you don't tend to get the OS / hardware compatibility you can get with Windows / Linux because the OS is made (modified?) to match the hardware. ;-)
Apple hardware is often considered expensive (and it's rarely 'cheap') but it's often fairly well specced and nicely made / designed. eg, This Mac Mini is virtually silent and is low power consumption and Mums iPad has a better battery life than my Archos Android tablet (that cost half as much, even back then).
Unlike some, I have no issue with Apple but because I'm not a brand follower only buy those things that *function* for me and often get them cheapER by buying them second user. ;-)
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On Sunday, 1 May 2016 20:16:25 UTC+1, T i m wrote:

I don't belive that is true although I do know of some programs. Can you name any of the more common once that PC users use that won't run on a Mac.

Such as .....

Mac users have been ale to run a lot of windows stuff going back years.

I certainly don't get as many crashes on Mac as I did on a PC. But PCs have improved since XP so it doesnt; happen anywhere as near as much as it used to.

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On Wed, 4 May 2016 03:19:18 -0700 (PDT), whisky-dave

You don't believe it's true but you know it's true? ;-)

Common to whom Dave? I know of some that Mac users themselves have said they have missed on OSX, like Irfanview and Forte Agent.

Any utility that you need to talk to more technical gear, like vehicle OBD diagnostic readers and the like. Trust me, whenever I try some new program or utility I look to see if it's also supported on OSX and Linux.

Yes, but not natively (till they moved to Intel).

Makes sense.

I run XP every day, all day and I can't remember the last time it ever 'crashed'.
It can 'get' locked up now and again, like if you plug in a weird USB drive or device, just as I observed on my mates Linux PC yesterday in fact and the 24" iMac I was repairing recently.
Fact, Windows represents about 80% of the PC userbase and therefore it's also very very likely that any software or hardware manufacturer will create their products for Windows first (if not 'only').
Whilst on the Mac n/g someone asked about webcams. Someone else had bought one from Argos that he had used to good success and tried it in the first place because it said that it was 'Mac compatible'. So I bought one and it worked fine on my Mac (and in Windows as well 'of course'). Someone else bought one of the back of what we had experienced and it didn't work on his Mc (same v of OSX). It worked when he booted into Windows though so the camera itself was fine. We all looked closer and it turned out the hardware was slightly different, sufficient to make it non Mac compatible but didn't affect Windows. He ended up taking it back. ;-(
How might Argos fix that problem? The simplest way is to remove 'Mac compatible' from the advert as that's only going to impact the sale of that item by 10% and that could be cheaper than any technical solution.
It's the same case but worse when looking in std retail stores for stuff that is 'Linux compatible'. BIL went into PCW for a 'Linux compatible printer' for the Linux PC I built for them recently. The guy in there had never even heard of Linux, let alone knew if the printer was Linux compatible. Luckily (for him) the guy in Staples was more interested and went and checked (as it didn't mention Linux support on the box itself) and he came back and said 'yes, it should be'. But what if it didn't actually work, or worked for network printing but not network scanning, how much leverage can you apply re support for something that is not outwardly supported?
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On Wednesday, 4 May 2016 12:06:00 UTC+1, T i m wrote:

I don;t believe it is true for the (many) but is true for teh few. Have you ever used microwave office ? http://www.awrcorp.com/products/microwave-office
how many PC or MAc users have even heard of it ?

and I've never used either so haven't missed them. I've never heard of any Mac users say they miss Irfanview or Forte Agent.

So you can't run windows on a Mac is that what you're saying.

So mac coul;d emulate PCS but not PCs emulate a Mac. Although I did here once that a PC could read a Mac disc but couldn't write to it.

I had the same with my BBC computer but I had to move on from 8 bit ;-)

I had my imac for 5.5 years and the only time it ever froze on me and needed the plug pulling was after I inserted a belkin USB hub.

Yes I know it's like TV programs and films far more are made in undia pakistan and china.

So the manufactuer got it wrong but in what way. You're assuming it's the Macs fault when it could be a simple user error.

and argos's double fitted matresses don't fit ikea double foam mattresses very well either even though agros claims they are for double mattresses.

I don't give a shit. Don't buy things that aren't compatable or unknown is the key.
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On Wed, 4 May 2016 06:12:34 -0700 (PDT), whisky-dave

And if you are one of few then it could be a deal breaker (as it often is for me). ;-(

No?

Ok.

Pass.

Quite, therefore you aren't part of the group I am discussing.

I have, so?

No, that's the exact opposite of what I'm saying and very much part of why I (and I believe many others) picked up on the Intel Macs. I know quite a few support guys who (now / can) run a Mac AND have full blown / real Windows.

Erm, I used to run Sheepshaver on (this) XP on my Mac Mini so I could help my Dad who was still using OSX9.2 on his old CRT iMac.

You may be right.

I still have my BBC-B but never really used it much, preferring the ZX-81 / Spectrum for the same reason I prefer Windows to OSX or Linux. That is because there was more stuff (especially games) out there for the more 'consumer' orientated Spectrum than 'geeky' BBC.

Dad had his iMac for longer and had to force power it off several times. Maybe part of that was because he was running an older OS and he did that because he had older programs he relied on that wouldn't run on OSX?

You are probably right.

The manufacturer changed the hardware in a subtle way that only impacted OSX (not Windows). It returned a slightly different USB code and possibly required a different driver that didn't exist.

No, it was definitely a lack of compatibility between that hardware and OSX on the same machine that ran Windows and could use the hardware with no issues. The user was perfectly competent.

Maybe bed sizes are like clothes sizes? ;-(

Then why discuss it?

And how do you do that exactly? This particular USB Webcam was both compatible with OSX (it had successfully been used by two of us) and was know (it had been successfully used by two of us). How could anyone predict that the manufacturer would change the specification of the hardware very slightly yet that change would only stop it working on OSX, not Windows?
This is my whole point, because 'most stuff' IS designed for and tested on Windows (first) you are less likely to be able to do as you suggest with any OS other than Windows.
Please don't be like one of those blinkered geek's that stick their fingers in their ears and go 'blah blah blah', just because someone tells it as it is.
Just because *you* haven't ever been frustrated that *you* can't run some software on OSX or get some hardware to work on OSX doesn't mean there aren't many pro Apple / Mac users who are. The fact that it hasn't affected you or if it has and you don't care, doesn't change things either.
It's like the Linux geeks who have to run Windows because their chosen software isn't available on Linux (or chosen hardware isn't supported) but because they run Windows in a VM, don't believe they are running Windows!!! Really, it's true! ;-)
Cheers, T i m
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