Neff oven cuts out

stick a thermometer in it & observe

NT

Is it one of these modern digital control things with a screen? many of these seem to have module death. I hate modern appliances, it was so simple in the good old days. Brian

Or set it to high & low temps, timing it from stone cold to cutting out each time

NT

Is it a fan oven? My guess is that the fan motor has failed (or is failing) and that a safety cutout if coming into action.

Tim

In message , Brian Gaff writes

Tell me about it. I drove to Glasgow and back yesterday, 130 miles each way, and during the journey, wanted to fiddle with the radio and the heater controls while driving. Utterly impossible without taking eyes from the road, yet in days of old when heaters had dials and levers connected to cables, everything could be done by feel. Same with the radio - turn one knob to adjust the volume, the other to tune. Simple. Now, push buttons with menus. Progress?

Was that to get eggs, bread and milk? Our daughter lived in Castle Douglas for 6 months and it was a 50 mile round trip to get to any civilisation (Dumfries)! ;-)

It's funny, I was thinking the exact same just last night, after driving a different car for a while yesterday then back in ours in the night. And you only have to touch the volume control to have it deafen you ... I wonder who worked that particular user interface out. ;-(

I think that may depend on your needs. If you generally keep your radio on one station, it probably doesn't matter how that happens (analogue tuning knob / preset etc). If you typically only listen to a few stations, they may be covered by the straight presets. After that, of if outside your preferred station range you either have to repeatedly press 'Scan' (or whatever) or twiddle the knob until you get to or find something you like ... I'm not sure if either solution has an advantage in that case other than the analogue one might be a bit more 'reactive'?

Often way to many (and confusing) options for 'most people'.

It does seem quite common to find a UI that doesn't seem to have been designed for any real world usage (technically or functionally, like the use of a menu on a radio in a car) ... with important and rarely used features all sitting at the same level ... and then features under menus that don't seen to have any relevance.

A good UI should be logical, easy and intuitive.

That said, it's obvious that different people think, use or are experienced with things working a particular way, where I don't find the Apple UI particularly intuitive when it's supposed to be 'known' for being that?

It's like that 'Eldy' (?) desktop front end designed for older people (or no PC literate anyway) where if you wanted to send an email it worked more like a proper letter, first getting you to write what you wanted to say, *then* choosing the recipient and then sending.

It was a bit like early Word Perfect versus Wordstar, where WP was aimed at secretaries and WS at 'engineers' (and I preferred WS of course). ;-)

Cheers, T i m

Well that's a bad start.

The radio etc in my new car stopped producing any sound. I had to stop at a service station and then switch off the ignition before I could get it to work again. One of mu irritations is that the odometer reading is only shown when the ignition is off.

I could be worse. Imaging a radio you could not turn off and Chris Evans was on.

In message , ARW writes

Indeed! Friday was unfortunate, as Craig Charles had the afternoon slot. He tries too hard to be hip or cool or funky, and forgets he is not a late night Radio 1 DJ, and is actually a Radio 2 daytime presenter.

Apparently the fan is working OK. I have an oven thermometer so will take a look tomorrow.